Emi

[Joey Savage]

Athough TLE have just signed with Due Process, what will there continued relation with EMI be?

[Fritz]

I guess the majority of users on this forum are 15-18 years old, therefore I'd just send an email to management instead of hoping to get an actual answer here unless Rae can fill us in here.

[Kev]

Well seeing Dew Process is under the UMA wing, I'd say that the relationship with EMI wouldn't exist anymore.

[damo0945]

except if you mean that EMI probably own all the music TLE released with them

[thelivingvines]

i thought TLE did it differently, no? i thought they started TLE ltd and copyrighted all the sound recordings to that company instead of handing it over to the record companies. I could be way off, but i got the impression they did things differently.

[damo0945]

maybe, i don't know to be honest

[Johnny_Wah]

maybe, i don't know to be honest

Post of the year, that.

[Grumma]

yes maybe i don't know
can you repeat the question!

[Johnny_Wah]

bahahahahahahahahahahahaha

but srsly, shut up. jokes love ya babe

[Sarah]

i thought TLE did it differently, no? i thought they started TLE ltd and copyrighted all the sound recordings to that company instead of handing it over to the record companies. I could be way off, but i got the impression they did things differently.


yeah, i think you're right...and it would answer my question in relation to them appearing courtesy of themselves on the stoneage cameos release.

[thelivingvines]

how the hell they ever managed to negotiate that with a big record company like EMI I have no idea. I guess they would let them do anything as long as they get their cut.
Usually copyright in a sound recording (not the music or the lyrics) goes to the person or company who made the investment- ie the record company- so they would have had to contract out of that. The producer also gets a copyright too- held in joint copyright with whoever else. So for SOE- assuming I am right- The Living End Ltd. and Nick Launay hold joint copyright in the sound recordings.
as for the music and lyrics the copyright would be either chris' if he wrote the song or to TLE ltd.
some of you may be sat there asking why this is important- copyright gives the 'band' rather than the record company the power to control all licensing (ie lending for whatever purpose) of their sound recordings. If the record company held the copyright they would be all the more likely to hand out licenses to whoever will pay money for it, hence more money in their pocket.

If this is the way it works- I wish this was the way all bands work.

[Joey Savage]

even if you did get a little carried away there

[wizard_23]

i found it informative. thanks.:)

[thelivingvines]

I'm kinda waiting for Rae to correct me on any of this- the TLE ltd bits anyway- it'd be interesting to know if record companies do this kind of thing willingly, alot, or barely at all.

[Weston]

Hmm, for my part, I'd like to see how it affects their iTunes catalogue - right now it's almost as good as it can get, with all their releases (including EPs and singles) available in the spiffy new iTunes Plus format, except the first two albums (though, curiously, you can get all the EPs/singles from that era).

EDIT: Oh, hullo! Looks like everything's still there, now copyright The Living End Pty Ltd! And some, like the State of Emergency album, add "Manufactured and marketed in Australia by EMI Music Australia Pty Limited under exclusive licence". It's that 'under exclusive licence' part that intrigues me, now.

[thelivingvines]

that just means that the living end property ltd granted a license (or permission) for EMI to 'infringe' the copyright, as it were, by manufacturing and marketing their music... an exclusive license simply means that they are the only ones doing that in australian territory for those sound recordings.

[Colezy]

I wonder if this has anything to do with anything??? Sucks if it does :(


New EMI owner puts artists on notice


Saturday Nov 3 08:24 AEDT
AP - The new owner of EMI Group has said he will drop artists the music group believes are not working hard enough and will overhaul executive pay packages.
In an internal memo to staff confirmed by Terra Firma Capital Partners, the private equity group's chief executive, Guy Hands, also threatened to withdraw lucrative advances to stars if record sales are disappointing.
Terra Firma bought EMI, which has Coldplay, the Rolling Stones and Kylie Minogue on its books, for STG2.4 billion ($A5.5 billion) in August.
Hands said EMI would in the future be "more selective in whom we choose to work with".
"While many spend huge amounts of time working with their label to promote, perfect and endorse their music, some unfortunately simply focus on negotiating for the maximum advance ... advances which are often never repaid," Hands said.
The memo did not name any artists, but EMI has been plagued in the past by late delivery of albums by some of its biggest acts.
Hands also criticised EMI's "compensation and management system put in place over the last 20 years, which does not encourage the right behaviours or reward the right actions."
"What worries me is that the existing structures have been put in over a couple of decades and unpicking them in a way that releases the good in the company is not going to happen overnight," he added.

[Neo]

Wow after reading that Im kinda glad TLE are off their label, in a crazy retarded 'stick it to the man' kinda way :p

[Grumma]

Late delivery of albums?

You can tell they're going places as a label :rolleyes:

[thelivingvines]

Capitol did a similar thing recently- they just unloaded a whole load of their artists who were no longer commercially viable.

[Grumma]

Spose it's a good way of making artists not want to sign to you
:confused:

[BennyD]

i got the bernard fanning album and its with due process and distibuted through universal music. i reckon it will be the same for tle.

[thelivingvines]

cool, well as distributors are a completely seperate thing to the record company with the band signed to them and funding the album, don't worry about universal having any control over what the boys do, they shouldn't. They might have a lot of influence over marketing I guess... lets just hope they send it in the right direction and not towards little teenage girls who love green day and want to lick billy joe's salty balls.

[mel_bound]

It's "Billie"
:p

Capitol did a similar thing recently- they just unloaded a whole load of their artists who were no longer commercially viable.

Doesn't Capitol have something to do with EMI anyway?

*edit* it's owned by them, hooray (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Records)

[thelivingvines]

i think the more prudent question would have been what don't they own.

[havoc_planet]

cool, well as distributors are a completely seperate thing to the record company with the band signed to them and funding the album, don't worry about universal having any control over what the boys do, they shouldn't. They might have a lot of influence over marketing I guess... lets just hope they send it in the right direction and not towards little teenage girls who love green day and want to lick billy joe's salty balls.

unfortunatley though its those soppy little brats that vote for bands 10,000 times, which intern makes the band more popular, and givesa them the reason to tour a couple of times a year. Its the circle of life. The band writes the song, the brats vote over and again for the song just cos the band is popular, The Song gets popular and sells lots of albums, the band tours, the fans come, the band writes new songs, the brats vote again!

[Neo]

unfortunatley though its those soppy little brats that vote for bands 10,000 times, which intern makes the band more popular, and givesa them the reason to tour a couple of times a year. Its the circle of life. The band writes the song, the brats vote over and again for the song just cos the band is popular, The Song gets popular and sells lots of albums, the band tours, the fans come, the band writes new songs, the brats vote again!
and if the band doesnt write any new songs, everyone forgets about them (ie. simple plan :p) and jumps on the next arriving band wagon!

[Johnny_Wah]

and if the band doesnt write any new songs, everyone forgets about them (ie. simple plan :p) and jumps on the next arriving band wagon!

so true.

on a slightly different note, airbourne went straight into the ground didnt they? they had an awesome record deal for such a new band, but they're gone now

[Grumma]

and if the band doesnt write any new songs, everyone forgets about them (ie. simple plan :p) and jumps on the next arriving band wagon!

And Green Day it would seem

Haven't heard boo outta them for a while now

[havoc_planet]

Excluding the fact they have had 2 songs in the top 30 this year, i think they are writing as we speak. Ill check it up

[Neo]

their last song was really shit. thats all i have to say.

[havoc_planet]

lol There is no one doubting that much

[damo0945]

New EMI owner puts artists on notice


Saturday Nov 3 08:24 AEDT
AP - The new owner of EMI Group has said he will drop artists the music group believes are not working hard enough and will overhaul executive pay packages.
In an internal memo to staff confirmed by Terra Firma Capital Partners, the private equity group's chief executive, Guy Hands, also threatened to withdraw lucrative advances to stars if record sales are disappointing.
Terra Firma bought EMI, which has Coldplay, the Rolling Stones and Kylie Minogue on its books, for STG2.4 billion ($A5.5 billion) in August.
Hands said EMI would in the future be "more selective in whom we choose to work with".
"While many spend huge amounts of time working with their label to promote, perfect and endorse their music, some unfortunately simply focus on negotiating for the maximum advance ... advances which are often never repaid," Hands said.
The memo did not name any artists, but EMI has been plagued in the past by late delivery of albums by some of its biggest acts.
Hands also criticised EMI's "compensation and management system put in place over the last 20 years, which does not encourage the right behaviours or reward the right actions."
"What worries me is that the existing structures have been put in over a couple of decades and unpicking them in a way that releases the good in the company is not going to happen overnight," he added.

sounds like they're trying to make more money for themselves while paying less artists less money to me...

and on the Green Day discussion, they didn't write Working Class Hero, so you could argue that it was a shit song to start with

[Neo]

yeah, that the impression I got after reading that. It really is all about the money after all! :p

also I was unaware that it was not a Green Day song. my bad.

[damo0945]

i think some guy called John Lennon wrote it from memory
of course i know who that is...

[Kacky]

All the songs recorded for Instant Karma were John Lennon covers.

[simonnott]

It cracks me up that people now find it fashionable to knock Green Day and their fans (I'm not some teeny bopper) and then make it obvious they know shit from butter about music.

[Johnny_Wah]

I like Green Day.

[E.B.]

lollerzzzz Green Day is teh gaaaaayy
Slipknot totally pwnz Green Gay
roflcopter

Damn that took alot of thinking to write :confused:

[Grumma]

It cracks me up that people now find it fashionable to knock Green Day and their fans (I'm not some teeny bopper) and then make it obvious they know shit from butter about music.

Green Day are hapless musicians and you know it

[Johnny_Wah]

Green Day are hapless musicians and you know it

Yeah, they're not the greatest :rolleyes:

But theyre heaps of fun. HEAPS of fun.

[Grumma]

If you like that kinda thing

[Neo]

hahaha John Lennon wrote it... that still doesn't stop it from being shit though. :) besides i don't think he is all that great anyway. oh no! shock horror.

[Johnny_Wah]

hahaha John Lennon wrote it... that still doesn't stop it from being shit though. :) besides i don't think he is all that great anyway. oh no! shock horror.

DIE ON A BED OF FLOWERS MUCH LIKE THE ONE ON THE COVER OF SGT PEPPERS WHICH A CERTAIN MR LENNON HAPPENED TO CONTRIBUTE TO.

Green Day should cover a frank zappa song.

[Neo]

Well maybe I will do just that, after i piss there first.

[Grumma]

Green Day shouldn't cover anything that was half decent in the first place.
Least that way they won't embarrass themselves

[Kev]

O/T: Ozzy covered Working Class Hero before Greenday did. Its not bad. But I think I like GD's version betterer

[Grumma]

Fact: Ozzy should still to metal

[Neo]

Fact: I love Ozzy, but that still doesn't stop the song from being shit. :p

[Grumma]

To quote himself

"has he lost his mind"

[simonnott]

Green Day are hapless musicians and you know it

I've no idea, but if that's true it makes them even bigger heroes in my book. They have come up with classic punk anthems that will still be classic punk anthems in decades to come. Hold on a minute, they are a punk band, isn't being a 'hapless musician' a prerequisite ?

[thelivingvines]

whether you admit it freely or not, we owe a lot to Green Day for giving TLE their break. Like their music or not, you owe them that at least.
I don't have a problem with them, I happen to like some of their stuff, it's their fans I can't stand- the ones who are so ignorant as to think Green Day is this hardcore punk band. fucking cretins.

[damo0945]

Green Day have some cool songs... be better live with less extra musicians/theatricality though i reckon... still, they were the first big band i saw live and it was rad, should play more (some) old stuff too... Going To Pasalacqua, 2000 Light Years Away etc.

[Grumma]

Hold on a minute, they are a punk band, isn't being a 'hapless musician' a prerequisite ?

Which is why punk is a horrid genre

[Neo]

but punk is so fun!

[Matt]

Which is why punk is a horrid genre

Urgh, from someone who has what's pretty much a metal band for pussies and small children in their signature, you don't have much to stand on...

I mean seriously, trivium are a joke in the metal community

[Grumma]

Almost solely because they're popular.

The same reason why Metallica, Tool, KSE, AX7 cop so much flak

*edit*
Actually, I fail to see the relevance of your post anyway

[JayTee]

Green Day aren't even that 'harcore punk' anyway. They kinda started a whole new type of punk, THAT SO MANY PEOPLE COPY. (It's cool to have your own style).

[thelivingvines]

Green Day aren't even that 'harcore punk' anyway.

I can't believe you even wrote that sentence. You're proving my point- that there are people out there who think they are punk at all- especially now. To me they're a pop band who play punk-ish songs. How you could even mention them in the same breath as 'hardcore' I honestly don't know.

[simonnott]

Assuming you mean 'Hardcore' like Sick Of It All or The Gallows I doubt anyone ever suggested they were. But it is fact that Green Day along with The Offspring kicked off a new generation of Punk music which has influenced and inspired bands and fans for getting on two decades. Saying that they aren't Punk is saying that nobody ever recorded Rock N Roll apart from Elvis and Billy Haley. What about The Clash for example 'White Man In Hammersmith Palais' I'd say that's Punk but it's very little to do with The Sex Pistols or The Ramones, pretty much the same as comparing Bill Haley and Elvis Scotty and Bill come to think of it.

[Grumma]

Offpsring =/= punk

they're alternative rock, and have been their whole career

*edit*
I should further expand by saying that you can't call a band punk simply because they are "rebellious" or write such lyrics.
By that theory you're throwing Slayer in as a punk band.

Musical genre's are categorized by the music - not the attitude of the members/band
Perfect examples would be Mercyful Fate and Venom.
Both bands use Satanic lyrics and helped paved the way for Black Metal to appear. But to call them "black metal" would be incorrect simply because the music itself is nothing like it.

I haven't listened to the Sex Pistols or whatever, but unless Alt Rock and Punk are the same then The Offspring aint punk. Same deal with Green Day, unless pop rock is the same as punk Green Day aren't really punk either

[simonnott]

Maybe now, but are you saying 'Smash' isn't Punk?

[Grumma]

tbh I have no idea which band you're talking about :p

*edit*
actually that's a lie, hang on, I got a heap of Offspring songs but no idea what album they're off


*double edit*
well Self Esteem I'd call just a rock song and the only other one I've heard is Come Out and Play, which I spose (coming from someone who avoids punk at all costs) could fall under that genre

[Neo]

Grumma, you really have no idea what you are arguing about.

[damo0945]

at the end of the day it's all music...

[Grumma]

Yeah pretty much.

And I'm also pretty sure I outlined the fact that I didn't have much of an idea about what I was talking about

[Neo]

which is why you continued to argue an invalid point? :p

[Grumma]

That because lyrically you may fit one genre doesn't mean you're part of it?

[dave790]

Smash is a punk rock album. And a very good one at that!

[JayTee]

All i'm trying to say is that green day have a sort of style of their own...

That a lot of bands copy.