Chris' white falcon

[_jimmy_]

i heard that chris is working with gretsch to make his own signature guitar, anyword on it lately?

[WHITE FALCON]

yeah i heard april 2007?

ask mick, i know he is gettin the first one in australia for a guy called bayden.

[Fritz]

good things come to those who wait :D

[_jimmy_]

shit, arent you lucky.

[LukeDavid]

is it going to be a limited run?

[ace_jase]

From memory something only like 10 are being made, with Chris getting a couple
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[mel_bound]

I thought there was gonna be 5?

I dunno. :p

[ace_jase]

yeah 5 was in my head too

after chris gets a couple, it would only leave 2 or 3
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[tanguyen]

Does beer come with the finish?

[the smoking gun]

i heard it also comes with that newly opened VB smell.

[Fritz]

we'll start off with maybe 5 or so and we shall go from there and see what happens

[Cedrick]

yeah i heard april 2007?

ask mick, i know he is gettin the first one in australia for a guy called bayden.

My name is Bayden, am I getting one?

[WHITE FALCON]

hahhaha i dont know!

[WhitefalconTLE44]

Does anyone know how much its gonna be, cause that would be SWEET to have one. I'm going to see them soon, so i'll ask chris if i see him.

[thelivingvines]

I would almost hold the order on my white falcon if I thought there was even a hint of an aroma that I could get my hands on one.

[_jimmy_]

wouldnt we all?

[Kevin]

i'd buy one, but it'd be purely for the wank value :p still tempting lol

it would be a good investment, providing they don't start mass producing them a year later

[thelivingvines]

i'd buy one, but it'd be purely for the wank value :p still tempting lol

it would be a good investment, providing they don't start mass producing them a year later

if they did the serial number on it as one of the originals would make it worth more than the others, surely?
I was thinking the other day- if guitars from the 60's and 70's are worth so much more than their value today than when they were bought then surely instead of investing their money in banks and companies- people should invest their money in the choice guitars of the day; that way when their value starts to climb in 15-20 years time you could have beaten the amount of interest you would have gotten in a bank account and not encountered the same risk as being a shareholder.

[Kevin]

the only problem is finding a buyer at the end of it

try selling a telstra share these days :p

really bad comparison :-/

[thelivingvines]

yeah, but there are plenty of guitar collectors out there; you might have to ship it somewhere but I don't think you'd have too much trouble. Americans will buy anything haaha

[Kevin]

yeah, but i don't like the chances of me getting one of the 5 made, or how much it costs, and i'm not really one to spend a heap of money without thinking about it for a long time :p

[kempos2112]

If theres only gonna be 10 made prehaps they shoudl have chris personaly customising each one with electrical tape.

[WHITE FALCON]

loool i like it :p

[_jimmy_]

the guitars will be worth more that way,theyve been used by chris himself before!

[WHITE FALCON]

no im pretty sure thye are replica's of his main "POW" guitar?

[mel_bound]

No-one's pretty sure of anything in reference to the signature gretsches! :p

[Fritz]

no i can say they are definatly not replicas of his POW guitar.

[kempos2112]

awww, are we even shure they are gonna be falcons? he does own some nashies and annies. (obviously woudl make sence 2 have it a falcon, but there is already a lot of signature falcons out there) just putting the possibilitie out there

[Fritz]

i do have the current plans for it :D

muahaha. sorry not at liberty to say anything incase word gets out and things change

[WHITE FALCON]

awww!!!

that sucks mick! hahahah

you know but you cant say. do you wish you could?

just tell us, has chris had a big influence on it or is it just gretsch going and making it how they think it is made?

[Fritz]

nah its all chris' input. He's a man that knows what he likes and wants

[thelivingvines]

I love it how he's like that- how he comes across as someone who is really laid back; but knows exactly what he's after to the point of perfection.

[WHITE FALCON]

ahhh thats awesome!

have you got any idea of price. i am thinking like RRP $7000?

[Kevin]

have you got any idea of price. i am thinking like RRP $7000?

mates rates $4500 ;)

[Fritz]

it's now deffinatly going to be assembled in Japan.

Chris went on a tour through the factory in japan not too long ago.

[dirty man]

damm i want one, unfortunatley being the school lad i am, i dont have $4500

[BonesTLE]

What I wouldn't give to own a Chris Cheney Signature Model - I wouldn't be able to play it because I'm left-handed but then it's the sort of thing you probably would want to get signed then locked in glass cabinet or something for all to see...

A man can dream though.

[_jimmy_]

how is chris going to be distributing the signature guitars? order online at gretsch guitars?

[BonesTLE]

It would be good if he sold them in conjunction with the TLE website or something...

[b_urself]

What I wouldn't give to own a Chris Cheney Signature Model - I wouldn't be able to play it because I'm left-handed but then it's the sort of thing you probably would want to get signed then locked in glass cabinet or something for all to see...

A man can dream though.

bahhhhhhh guitars are made to be played not to be looked at

[BonesTLE]

bahhhhhhh guitars are made to be played not to be looked at

Yeah but like I said, I couldn't play it coz of my left-handedness... :(

[mel_bound]

you could re-string it upside down Hendrix style.. although it might not suit a WF :p

[BonesTLE]

Trust me, I've done the upside-down thing many times - it sucks, you keep bumping the knobs and stuff. I used to play that way... many moons ago.

[b_urself]

Yeah but like I said, I couldn't play it coz of my left-handedness... :(

im left handed... i play guitar right handed....just re-learn :p

[BonesTLE]

Haha too late. But then what would I do with my left-handed WF? ;)

[Fritz]

how is chris going to be distributing the signature guitars? order online at gretsch guitars?

lol chris wont have anything to do with how they get distributed.

i guess you'll just have to find what lucky stores in australia get a hold of one

[BonesTLE]

i guess you'll just have to find what lucky stores in australia get a hold of one

It's going to be a race isn't it? Who's going to be one of the lucky three? (or however many they make...) :p

[WHITE FALCON]

holly fuck. billy hyde in the valley better get one :D aka brisbane!

[BonesTLE]

I would have been okay (maybe) before I moved up here to Cairns! We wont get one :(

[WHITE FALCON]

awww cairns lol i dont think they will.
o well

melbourne will get like 2 sydney 2 and brisbane 1 maybe :D

[BonesTLE]

Damn navy posting me to Cairns! haha - Nah it's good up here.

[WHITE FALCON]

fucking hot i bet.

[BonesTLE]

I think I've adapted to it. I was hot when I first got here cos I'd spent the last 3 months in Melbourne :) I'm not dissing Melbourne by the way - I grew up there but you gotta admit it gets cold!

[WHITE FALCON]

i love melbourne!

the markets are fucking great.

and the music shops. fuckkk. its unfair all the music shit happens in melbourne lol nahh thats a lie brisbane and sydney have some pretty hot shit bands!

[BonesTLE]

Cairns is having this big festival thing on the second of Dec. The biggest name there is End of Fashion (who I really like by the way) but it should be pretty good...

[WHITE FALCON]

that guy has an amazing voice!

[BonesTLE]

Heck yes! Should be a good nite...

[hillaas]

brisbane and sydney have some pretty hot shit bands!

So what does that mean exactly?:D

[BonesTLE]

So what does that mean exactly?:D
i imagine it's something like 'Shit hot' - it must be some obscure Brisbanian dialect...

[Kevin]

"the shitty beatles? are they any good?"
"they suck!"
"so it's not just a clever name?!"

-wayne's world

[WHITE FALCON]

ahahhh shit hot/hot shit. same bucket different shit :p

[BonesTLE]

different hot shit? lol!

[hillaas]

"the shitty beatles? are they any good?"
"they suck!"
"so it's not just a clever name?!"

-wayne's world

Man...such a good movie!

Waynes World, Waylnes World, party timeeee,,,,,,excellenttttttt!

[BonesTLE]

It would be funny seeing what kind music Wayne would be into here in the 21st century... :)

[WhitefalconTLE44]

I talked to chris last night after the philly show, and he said that he is coming out with his signature, he already has a prototype made, they're gonna make about 12 guitars to start out with, and its like a white falcon, but it has silver binding and a gretsch 6120 body(for those of you who dont know, 6120s are slightly smaller in width than the white falcon.) It also has T.V jones pickups.

[Amur]

Despite my non-participation in any music playing,I'm happy for him and peoples who will try to get one of these amazing thingies =)
thanks for info!

[WHITE FALCON]

I talked to chris last night after the philly show, and he said that he is coming out with his signature, he already has a prototype made, they're gonna make about 12 guitars to start out with, and its like a white falcon, but it has silver binding and a gretsch 6120 body(for those of you who dont know, 6120s are slightly smaller in width than the white falcon.) It also has T.V jones pickups.

fuck yeah man thanks for that info!

so i wonder what colour it will be if it has silver binding. i sort of hope its not orange but that would look cool still. wait are all 6120's orange. hmmmm o well. i wonder which TVJ's are in it. hey and 12 guitars!! woot i guess that means half will go to the US and half here:D

[WhitefalconTLE44]

i think it is gonna be white, it just has the size of the 6120 body, but i'm not positive.

[WHITE FALCON]

yeah i hope its white. but white with silver binding. hmm i dunno i fucken cant wait to see it now!

[thelivingvines]

thats what he told me in glasgow... it was being approved by gretsch back then.. i expect it could emerge on the US tour sometime if we're lucky- he said he was really happy with it.

[_jimmy_]

we should just keep checking the gretsch guitars site

[BonesTLE]

Nothing at the Gretsch site yet... Although I did email someone there and while they couldn't give many details just yet, they did say that as many as 50-100 could be made... Could be a shit buzz, could be true.

This contact did unfortuantely confirm that there will NOT be any left-hand models :(

[BonesTLE]

I'm interested to see whether Chris customises his signature guitar further, as in stickers and stuff, or if he'll leave it as is...
I guess we'll find out soon enough.

[thelivingvines]

he hasn't done anythign to his chat atkins... my guess is he won't... not for a while anyway. has he officially retired his duo jet? haven't seen it in a while.

[BonesTLE]

So has anyone heard anything new about this lately? Any breaking news or developments?

[WHITE FALCON]

nahhh. muso's corner is dead. nobody is posting in here lol

[BonesTLE]

I think I'll email that guy again...

[Fritz]

man, ive been gone for one week and you guys kill the forum!! haha

[BonesTLE]

Hey it wasn't us! :D
We're trying here!

[WHITE FALCON]

lol come on mick. everyone else doesnt know what to talk about without you:p

your the chris guru! :D

oii shit you know waht i just remembered. hows that list going man?

[Fritz]

oh yeah the list i got asked to do 12 months ago!!!

well ive pretty much got all the info writen. just gotta get it up on the net somehow

[BonesTLE]

Looking forward to it man!

[Fritz]

haha. he's updated his rig since i last wrote some stuff up so i gotta study that too

[BonesTLE]

It's going to be one of those thing that you can never get a definite answer to. You'll constantly have to update it!

[WHITE FALCON]

hahah mick. we all know you can do it :)

nah it would take ages to write it up hey.

i dont care when it gets done but i just wanna see it coz i like info =D and it will give me idea's :D

sooner rather then later ;)

[thelivingvines]

anyone remember where the photos of chris pedals are? if anyone can remember could you point me in the right direction. cheers m'dears.

[Johnny_Wah]

Yep, here ya go

Chris' Rig (http://thelivingend.com/vBforum/showthread.php?t=97&page=2)

Thanks very much Jonesie

[thelivingvines]

ah, you beauty. thanks!

[WhitefalconTLE44]

anyone hear anything new yet about the signature model? I cant wait, but i'm guessing it will be introduced at the winter NAMM show

[Julian]

Has anyone heard anything new in the last year or so at all?

[Johnny_Wah]

This thread is dead.

Nothing! NOTHING!

The suspense builds...

[BonesTLE]

Yeah we REALLY need some more news on this one! :D

[Deanis]

I'm going to guess that the orange Brian Setzer version of the Nashville that he used on tour recently was actually a prototype to his own signature Gretsch. Going by this, Chris' signature would be a smaller-bodied white falcon in specs, yet coloured orange. So in theory it will pretty much be a Nashville, with high output TV jones pickups, possibly a solid tailpiece instead of a Bigsby (which Chris never uses), and Chris' signature on the pickguard. Gretsch's Signature models usually arent that different to their original offerings, so I dont think there will be too much variation between a standard nashville and this new model, apart from Chris' signature (which means it may just become a collector's item).
But we will all find out in April I spose.
...BTW, if you go to the official gretschguitar website, you will find Chris' face plastered on the backdrop to their guitar list. It has been like this for sometime, and begs the question, why have gretsch recoginised him for so long, yet have taken even longer to create a signature model for him? About bloody time, i say!

[Fritz]

thanks for the post deanis.

sorry to rain on your parade , something you just mentioned are wrong and some other things well.......... your thinking very well!!!

The 6120 chris has been using is just a straight forward 6120SSLVO.
Nothing more, nothing less, nothing to do with anything apart from its a good guitar. Two came into the country and one went to my good mate John in Sydney and the other went to Chris. He purchased it via my work nearly 12 months ago as a replacement guitar to one of his white falcons which was getting repaired in melbourne (his 'number 1') and wasnt too keen on the idea of taking any of his vintage hollow body Gretschs on the road. This was just after BDO. He didnt really like thrashing his old beautiful vintage gretschs.

He's now playing a tennessean special to replace the other white falcon (number one got fixed, now falcon # 2 is ratshit).

I'm probably the only guy on the forum that knows what this guitar is(sig guitar), going by that I really like your message, goooood thinking !! Your deffinatly not correct with it all regarding the signature model... but are you right about some of the things you've come up with ???? or not ???????? I still wont spill that beans :D

[WhitefalconTLE44]

Well, can you tell us when we'll be seeing a picture of it, or when it will be out? PLEASE:D

[thelivingvines]

I thought we already knew what is was going to be- I asked chris and some other mate asked him as well and we managed to cobble together some image of what it was... it's round the muso thread somewhere.

[BonesTLE]

Chris does use a Bigsby at least a couple times a show...
Black Cat being a prime example. :D

[tainted_love]

Plus, a Bigsby makes any guitar look about 10 times cooler, and that's an important factor too. Lol.

[WhitefalconTLE44]

In the U.S. the NAMM show is going on, which is where all the big guitar companies show off there new models, i know a guy whos getting pictures, so if we're lucky, they might have the chris cheney model there. I'll tell ya guys if i find anything

[WhitefalconTLE44]

Hey Fritz, any idea about the Retail Price?

[Julian]

They're only making a very limited ammount, right? And of course a couple will be going to Chris so you won't be finding them cheap. You'll be paying for the signature on the guitar basically

[Fritz]

You'll be paying for the signature on the guitar basically

Lets not forget its going to a really really nicely made Gretsch guitar

[Fritz]

And nah sorry I dont know any prices.

I was told from the beginning it was just going to be price as a normal falcon,6120 or anni (oohh which one will it be??? or will it not actually be any of them!?)

But then again the Rev's sig. 6120 is more $$$ than a standard 6120 so who knows...

[Julian]

Lets not forget its going to a really really nicely made Gretsch guitar

I'm not forgetting that but I remember someone saying here it wasn't going to be very commercially avaiable with only a handful made? Certainly not in the same way as a Brian Setzer or RHH signature model.

[Johnny_Wah]

God I can't wait - Damn you and your secrets Mick!

The RHH one's funny. I dunno, I think it's the pickguard but it always makes me laugh.

[WHITE FALCON]

And nah sorry I dont know any prices.

I was told from the beginning it was just going to be price as a normal falcon,6120 or anni (oohh which one will it be??? or will it not actually be any of them!?)

But then again the Rev's sig. 6120 is more $$$ than a standard 6120 so who knows...

o0o0o fuck yeahh i bet you his signature has something to do with a annie!

it better. think of how long he played annies for before falcon's. annies and tennasean's were his main guitars. i cant wait for this guitar. and those photo's white_falcon44 was talkin about maybe gettin!(sorry if i got your user name wrong)

i wonder if chris is exited. have you spoken to him latley about it mick?

[Deanis]

I must add, nice work on Chris reverting back to the Tennessean model, quite beautiful cheap (in comparison to falcons etc) guitar. Now I'm going to guess that Chris' model will be less than a RHH model gretsch, based mainly on the fact it just wouldnt sell. However I then cant imagine a signature gretsch being as cheap as an Anniversary, so I'm going to stick to 'around' White Falcon prices. And am still standing to my idea that it will NOT have a bigsby. Come on, Chris even modded both his falcons so that neither had a Bigsby, his Anni doesnt even have a Bigsby, and ONE song out of all the songs theyve released, uses it occasionally live, that doesnt cut it IMO.
Also maybe we shouldnt get our hopes up with this model, with the limited amounts being produced, atleast for now, we wont have the chance to see one in a year if it even takes off.
BTW, dont you reckon this model should replace the Bo Diddly Signature model? What a complete waste of.... everything that guitar is!

[mel_bound]

Last I heard there was only 5 or something being made.. But that's really old old news :p

[thelivingvines]

ok I don't know how much more obvious this can be made without me flying my sweet ass down there and yelling it in all of your ears- so I'm just going to go with capital letters to try and get the point across- CHRIS TOLD US THAT IT'S MODELLED ON A 6120. NOT A FALCON, NOT AN ANNIE, NOT ANYTHING ELSE. A 6120. ONCE MORE JUST FOR THOSE OF YOU NOT PAYING ATTENTION. 6120.

[WhitefalconTLE44]

He technically said it was a white falcon with a 6120 body size when i talked to him.

[Neo]

And am still standing to my idea that it will NOT have a bigsby. Come on, Chris even modded both his falcons so that neither had a Bigsby, his Anni doesnt even have a Bigsby, and ONE song out of all the songs theyve released, uses it occasionally live, that doesnt cut it IMO.

I'm pretty sure there is more than one song that uses it.

[Johnny_Wah]

Really there's only Black Cat. All the other songs that use a bigsby in the studio are played live just normally without the bigsby - Hold Up and What Would You Do.

And yeah, Chris did say that it was liuke a white falcon with a 6120 body cos it's smaller (I think)

[Jawn]

BTW, dont you reckon this model should replace the Bo Diddly Signature model? What a complete waste of.... everything that guitar is!

Definately not. Bo Diddley has done more for rock and roll music than Chris has. Bo is a legend. It would be a disgrace for Bo NOT to have a signature model.

Oh i get it. The guitar looks crap. Yeah, the greatness of guitars are measured in their looks and their looks alone. You can't have a good sounding and playing guitar if it looks ugly.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but this had to be one of the most stupidest things a guitarist can say.

[Julian]

Would you buy a guitar you thought was ugly as shit?

I actually agree with everything else you said though

[damo0945]

i actually think it looks pretty cool...(its the box one yeah?)

[Deanis]

But its the sort of guitar you'd frame. Seriously, Bo's original guitar was crafted off a cigar box (from memory) and this Firebird red thing looks hideous. Plus the ergonomics are terrible, so if you were to buy this guitar youd have to find a dam good reason, cos its uncomfortable as, looks hideous, and at best would sound like a Duo Jet (which looks 100x nicer, and is still fairly unique).
Sure Bo Diddley was a great artist, but I think Chris' Signature model would be more accessible to more guitarist's and get stacks more play time, on stage and in studios than the Diddley model. I havent seen ONE other person use a Diddley model, not one!
Point made.

[thelivingvines]

How many Bo diddly tribute bands have you seen? I bet people who are really into Bo Diddly would buy one for the same reason you would want any of the gretsches chris has. I totally agree that its a hideous guitar but people will eat that shit up if they put it out there.

[Jawn]

But its the sort of guitar you'd frame. Seriously, Bo's original guitar was crafted off a cigar box (from memory) and this Firebird red thing looks hideous.

It may be hideous, but he actually DID use that guitar in his career.

It is also one of the most uniquely shaped guitars ever. No other guitar looks anything like Bo's. Its a unique guitar played by a legend. Of course it has to be a signature model!

Bo deserves a signature model of his guitars based soley on what he did to music.


By the way, I think White Falcons are uglier than Bo's Firebird thingie.

[Sammas]

But its the sort of guitar you'd frame. Seriously, Bo's original guitar was crafted off a cigar box (from memory) and this Firebird red thing looks hideous. Plus the ergonomics are terrible, so if you were to buy this guitar youd have to find a dam good reason, cos its uncomfortable as, looks hideous, and at best would sound like a Duo Jet (which looks 100x nicer, and is still fairly unique).
Sure Bo Diddley was a great artist, but I think Chris' Signature model would be more accessible to more guitarist's and get stacks more play time, on stage and in studios than the Diddley model. I havent seen ONE other person use a Diddley model, not one!
Point made.

What point is that? That you are a starstruck fan that thinks that its the guitar that makes the player?

Bo Diddley and Billy Gibbons are both rock and roll hall of fame guitarists. They've done more for guitar driven music than Chris Cheney ever has. It makes me happy that you don't like the guitar because it just proves the point that the type of guitar means absolutely nothing when it comes to making good music. Chris Cheney's guitar would be nowhere near as accessible as Bo Diddley's or Billy Gibbon's guitars... most guitarists don't even have a clue who Chris Cheney is.

I agree with Jawn, White Falcons are fugly.

[Jawn]

oh man, I forgot Billy Gibbons played that too. Why is there even an arguement about this?


And really, it is a pretty sexy guitar.

http://www.gretschguitars.com/repository/gretsch/images/G6199_md.jpg


Its the Jupiter Thunderbird, not Firebird by the way.

[Deanis]

I mean accessible, playability-wise. Not recognition-wise. And the Jupiter or Bo Diddley's being more attractive than a White Falcon? I can't believe someone said that. Sure its not the guitar that makes the artist, but if I had 4500bucks to blow on a guitar it definately wouldnt be a Jupiter, even if Gibbons made a huge impact to the rock world. I cant justify it. And seem as I've wanted a hollowbody anyway, those two ugly models are straight out of the question anyway. :)
Can someone post pics of people using the Bo Diddly Signature model OTHER than Bo? Also pics of anyone using the Jupiter other than Gibbons would be appreciated too. (Pics of Gretsch reps at guitar shows doesnt count).

[Sammas]

Now you're just talking out your arse. Its really not rocket science to understand that people have different tastes in instruments. You are really being quite ignorant by even suggesting that because you don't like it, no one else will. :rolleyes:

it is amazing what you can find with a very quick search.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/rockfina/Rockfina-guitar-small.jpg

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=572439

please post pics of other people playing the RHH gretsch, Bono's falcon & Keith Scott's Nashville.

Just incase you missed it. I think the white falcon is fugly.

[Fritz]

makes me sad to hear u guys say falcons are fugly. ive worked my arse off to get my falcons!! lol

my next guitar is going to be a billy bo jupiter. ive seen billy gibbons use it live, unreal......... i want one bad!!!

[damo0945]

isnt that just the way, you see someone live and think their guitars rad...

[Fritz]

he also had a great sounding amp. he was using a 'mojave' (i think thats how you spell it).

He used 2 other guitars but that Jupiter sounded a bar above the rest

[Jawn]

Where'd you see him play Mick, or was it on DVD or something? I'd be shattered if he came down here and I missed him hah.

Deanis, why do you want pictures of other people other than Bo Diddley or Billy Gibbons playing that model? Its called the Bo Diddley/ Billy Gibbons because THEY ARE THE ONES WHO PLAYED IT. Its such a unique guitar, played by legends, which is why they got a signature model. It doesn't matter who else plays one, they did. I can't believe people can't understand why Gretsch makes that model.... Its just stupid fanboyism gone wrong.



http://www.gretschguitars.com/repository/gretsch/images/G6136DS_md.jpg
As for why I think the White Falcon is ugly as sin, I will give you my reasons. Mick, you might want to skip this paragraph :p Its ok, you can rip into the holy grail of guitar that is Stratocastor to get me back. Let's start off with the colour. It's White. When I see one, I almost have to put on sunglasses to protect my eyes. Here's something fun, at night time, open up a white screen on your monitor (a blank paint screen will do). Now turn off all the lights and stare at the monitor. Feel that burning sensation in your retinas? Yep, thats what my eyes feel like with that White colour on the falcon. Not only that, it looks like some dumb idiot at the factory has spilt white-out all over the guitar. Not only is it white, its a bad white. Now lets look at the head-stock. The shape is ok, the colour is not, and the gold glittery shit looks tacky as. It looks like some ten year old has attacked the headstock with a gold glitter pen. And then we have that god awful ugly goldy glob under the Gretsch writing. Its like the kid had some glitter left in the pen and just wanted to get rid of it all, so they just chucked a bit more there FOR ABSOLUTE NO REASON. Moving down back to the body, and we have the scratchplate. The scratchplate, again in tacky gold, manages to cover up the only attractive thing about the falcon, the f-hole. The scratchplate also manages to clutter up that entire side of the falcon, it looks too busy. If we chuck a bigbsy on, it continues to clutter up the body and make it too busy. Finally the remaining gold hardware makes the guitar look tacky again. It looks tacky, cheap and overdone. The White Falcon is for the guitar what the jumpsuit was to Elvis. Thats the best analogy. White, tacky, overdone.

Now onto the Billy Gibbons/ Bo Diddley model. Why is that a beautiful guitar? Because its unique, no other guitar looks like it. The red colour doesn't burn my eyeballs like the other one. The body isn't busy and cluttered. The shape is whack, and I like whack.

But do you know what? It doesn't matter that I think the white falcon is ugly as sin. We all see things differently. Mick has quite a collection of falcons and similar guitars because he loves them, not only to play but because he thinks that if you had to compare sex to a physical object, he would choose the white falcon. We all have different tastes, that is why its absurd to say a signature model shouldn't exist because YOU think it looks ugly. You may think its ugly, but there will be a hella lot more people saying it looks great. I think White Falcons are ugly, but I doubt my opinions on it have cost Gretsch sales.

[mel_bound]

but I doubt my opinions on it have cost Gretsch sales.
I dunno, you are Jawn, afterall.

:p

[Jawn]

I'd like to think my opinions can hurt international companies. But if I was to be honest and deflate my ego for a second, I'm pretty sure Mr Gretsch didn't lose any sleep that I gave a point by point analysis why I don't like the look of the White Falcon :p

Prove me wrong if you want to, it would make my day if it was proven that I have that much power.

[Julian]

I actually agree with you on some points Jawn. I hate scratchplates on anything, Les Pauls, Gretschs whatever. One of the first things I did to my Artcore was take it off. I agree with the glittery Gretsch font, it's not the most attractive feature of the falcon. So what Jawn, faceplates can be taken of, don't whinge about things that take 1 minute to remove.
But the colour? It seems just a standard white to me. Maybe it just me but I like white guitars no matter what the model. If I were to get a strat, i'd get it in arctic white. And if you don't like the white, what's wrong with a black falcon?
A bit too cluttered? All hollowbodies with a bigsby are gonna look cluttered but it's there for a reason.
The thing I don't like about the original Bo Diddley guitar is the lack of curves. That's what I hate about BC Riches, and Flying V's. They just look like splinters. Ugly as hell. The Bo Diddley signature guitar is a weird shape, I don't think it'd be comfortable at all to play but I haven't played one so I can't say. I don't think it's as ugly as some people say but compared to a White Falcon, no competition.

[thelivingvines]

...your argument about no other guitar being like the billy gibbons model applies to the white falcon too. There isn't another guitar like that one out there. sure, you're entitled to your opinion and I am sure I won't change it, but I can point out the things about it I love.
When it was released- and still to this day- it stands for the ultimate lap of luxury in guitars. Everything about it is so over-the-top. From the glitter that you hate right down to the tiny little red emeralds in the volume pots. That bit on the headstock that you hate- the truss rod cover... what other colour could that have been? it HAD to be gold or it would have looked entirely out of place if it had been black or white. Nevermind the amazing sound that you get out of one of these mo-fos, the feel is incredible. I have to say though... not a fan of the dynasonic ones. In my humble opinion the fretboard is ruined by massive pearl inlays that ruin the feel of the ebony fretboard and to have a white falcon without a proper bigsby is just a crime. It's all down to taste in the end- and if you want to go for the boring, generic and plain although admittedly iconic sounding stratocaster then fine. But why do that when you can have your cake and eat it too? ultimately I prefer the gretsch sound, you won't find that sound on ANYTHING else.

[WHITE FALCON]

far out i have been gone for like 2 days and you guys are posting reply's that are like 129083091283098 letters long about all this stuff i would wanna talk about :p

jawn made some pretty good points that i agree with but honestly who gives a fuck what it looks like. of course you dont wanna be embaressed by your guitar but like imagine what the fans of Bo said when they saw that guitar. "holly fuck how ugly is that, i want one". its the same with the malcom young gretsch. you cant exactly call that a nice looking guitar but its more about how it sounds. when i look at a falcon i cant really compare it to any other guitar exept maybe a gibson hollow body or a couple of gretsch's. the thing about a falcon is it looks so expensive and nice and you think shit thats sexy. when you look at when and how chris started playing one thats when they changed how they dressed and how they played on stage and stuff. i mean watching the FHOI DVD when they are playing warped and shit and you look at the clothes they are wearing, they look like rockabilly bogans and the annie looks all beat up and shit and it suites the look prefectly. but when they come out on stage wearing almost suites and vest's and stuff(festival hall) the falcon goes perfectly with that. its a more clean look. and just recently chris has been playing the power teeny(the red one) and it suites both of them together. i dunno if what the guitar suites and what it doesnt has anything to do with what chris thinks but i rekon it does :D

[Deanis]

OK OK, I agree the Dynasonic WHite Falcon is nowhere near as attractive as the White Falcon, and here is where my argument comes unstuck. See out of all the variations of the Falcon's there is only ONE i like, and thats the one with the over-the-top headstock, TV Jones Gold pickups, the huge fret inlays and the Cadillac tailpiece. The more recent models with the simple headstock, Bigsby, "neo-classical" fretmarkers, and single coil pickups, look dog ugly, the design flair just isnt there, and with neo-classical thumbnail markers, the neck looks too dark and cotrasts too heavily with the white body. Same goes for those small black single-coil pickups.
So when it comes to White Falcons I'm a picky bastard. But if you can find that right model, they look stunning, even more-so in person. As for the tacky trus-rod cover, I have no argument :P its the Falcon's worse feature. But theres far uglier, plainer, and just plain more boring guitars out there than this. And as for stage presence, not much else beats it.
Of course this is my opinion. Everyone has their own, and besides, isnt half the point of a Gretsch the look anyway? (They even have a spot on their website devoted to submitting pics of people with their gretsches).

[Jawn]

Thank you everybody for now seeing that people have many different tastes in guitars. Hopefully you won't say "I can't believe anybody likes the Bo Diddley guitar" anymore as well as "I can't believe anybody doesn't like the look of the White Falcon" anymore. It took me to do a pedantic point by point analysis, but you got there. Hooray!


Julian, I'm glad you mentioned the Black Falcon. I actually don't mind that guitar, in fact I think it looks semi reasonable. But I was dissecting the White Falcon, so I chose not to go into the Black model. And I don't like the idea of taking things off my guitar. I shouldn't be the one that has to enhance the look of the thing, Gretsch should have got it right in the first place (although it could probably be argued that the scratch plate is needed, im talking about pure cosmetic reasons).

And for those who bothered going into the sound and comfort of playing the thing, I haven't played a falcon so I'm not going to go into that. I was arguing on purely cosmetic reasons. I will have to take your word that the falcon is a dream to play.

[BonesTLE]

I thought I'd try my hand at designing a Chris Cheney Signature Model. These are my ideas (with a few thrown in from WHITE FALCON) so this isn't the real deal or anything like that.
Ok, it's a work in progress - a rought draft if you will. So no laughing.
I haven't really touched photoshop for about six years.

So it's got a 6120 body but a 6136 neck and head (the heads from a silver falcon).
I've given it a G-cutout tailpiece (like on a 6118).
TV Jones picups of course (you can decide what type).
I've chucked a couple of signatures on it (the neck and scratchplate) and also a couple of decals for looks...

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4401/ccsgtar4tv.th.jpg (http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ccsgtar4tv.jpg)

I know the strings don't quite reach all the way :D and there's some more work that needs to be done on tidying it up but I think it looks pretty good.

Maybe someone else could give it a go... I didn't think we'd need to start a new thread or anything.

Once again: THIS IS NOT THE REAL CHRIS CHENEY SIGNATURE MODEL! :p

[WHITE FALCON]

yay i had input :D

[Fritz]

haha thanks for the warning jawn. Good you did... cos i didnt read the rest of ya post!! lol

and for the record, I do really do love a great strat :)

[BonesTLE]

Arin didn't like how I put the Black Falcon head on it...
I like it but. It sort of reminds me of an Ani how the head is way darker than the body...

[WHITE FALCON]

why didnt ya put a annie head on it :p

[BonesTLE]

how many different parts do you want??? :p

[Deanis]

I was gonna design sumthing similar to that, but mix black falcon, with nashville to sort of create an ultimate Tenneseean look. Meh, I'll do it later when I can find Photoshop.

[Julian]

And I don't like the idea of taking things off my guitar. I shouldn't be the one that has to enhance the look of the thing, Gretsch should have got it right in the first place (although it could probably be argued that the scratch plate is needed, im talking about pure cosmetic reasons).


Yes but it's alot more trouble to get a pickguard if you want one than to take one off if you don't.

And alot of the appeal of the White Falcon is the looks. Lots of the most famous rockabilly sounds were actually recorded with telecasters.


jawn made some pretty good points that i agree with but honestly who gives a fuck what it looks like. of course you dont wanna be embaressed by your guitar but like imagine what the fans of Bo said when they saw that guitar. "holly fuck how ugly is that, i want one". its the same with the malcom young gretsch. you cant exactly call that a nice looking guitar but its more about how it sounds. when i look at a falcon i cant really compare it to any other guitar exept maybe a gibson hollow body or a couple of gretsch's. the thing about a falcon is it looks so expensive and nice and you think shit thats sexy. when you look at when and how chris started playing one thats when they changed how they dressed and how they played on stage and stuff. i mean watching the FHOI DVD when they are playing warped and shit and you look at the clothes they are wearing, they look like rockabilly bogans and the annie looks all beat up and shit and it suites the look prefectly. but when they come out on stage wearing almost suites and vest's and stuff(festival hall) the falcon goes perfectly with that. its a more clean look. and just recently chris has been playing the power teeny(the red one) and it suites both of them together. i dunno if what the guitar suites and what it doesnt has anything to do with what chris thinks but i rekon it does
The basic jist I got was this was who cares about the looks, then rambling about how the look is important to tle :confused:

[Johnny_Wah]

ohh fun. mixed messages

[Deanis]

Here it is. I've named it the Chris Cheney Red Devil Signature. Has a sorta rockabilly vibe to it.
It's pretty much a Nashville, but with Falcon pickups, headstock, neck and tailpiece.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c367/Deanimus/RedDevil.jpg

[Johnny_Wah]

very cool. the headstock is a bit out of whack with the rest, but it looks awesome

[Deanis]

Yer I think i might make the headstock red :P forgot to b4.

[Johnny_Wah]

How about an annie tailpiece as well? that'd look suh-weet

[Deanis]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c367/Deanimus/RedDevil2.jpg
Red Devil the 2nd ;)

[Johnny_Wah]

Farken Awesome

[Sammas]

I'd maybe consider that guitar if it didn't have the kindergarden glitter art on it.

[Johnny_Wah]

Sammas, ever the comedian.

[Sammas]

Sammas, ever the comedian.

:confused: I wasn't trying to be funny, thats what it looks like.

[WhitefalconTLE44]

I wanna see a picture of the real thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:
o, and that red devil guitar is sweet, nice work

[WhitefalconTLE44]

I just looked at the Gretsch winter 2007 Price catalog, and no Chris Cheney model was on it. :( :( :( :( :

[mel_bound]

Probably because there's not gonna be many made for sale?

[wizard_23]

This is killin me! reali wanna c it, then i'll reali wanna play it, then reali wanna own it! jus looked through the gretsch pages forum site and couldnt gatha much more on the subject. Fotos from NAMM 07 didnt show anything chris related. Tear!!!

[Sammas]

This is killin me! reali wanna c it, then i'll reali wanna play it, then reali wanna own it! jus looked through the gretsch pages forum site and couldnt gatha much more on the subject. Fotos from NAMM 07 didnt show anything chris related. Tear!!!

it is too bad you don't "reali" want to spell properly.

[Johnny_Wah]

sammas, you critisise too much. you reali do

[Sammas]

sammas, you critisise too much. you reali do

At least we know why you are called Johnny_WAH! WAH! WAH! WAH! WAAAAAHHH!!

http://members.tripod.com/~toto_8/baby/b1.gif

[Jawn]

ahahahahahahahhahaah


Chillax a bit Johnny_Wah. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion, and pick on people who write in netspeak.

[Johnny_Wah]

Oh I wasn't talking about the netspeak thingy.

[Jawn]

So you don't like him saying what he doesn't like about Gretsch's. Come on, we've had this discussion just a few pages back. People like different things and are allowed to express their opinions on these things. Stop sooking.

[Sammas]

If you really don't like i'd, just add me to your ignore list! :p

[WHITE FALCON]

lool.

hmmm that red devil guitar was pretty cool but i liked the other one better.

fark i need photo shop. any alternatives that would do the same job?

[Julian]

There are plenty of guitar designer flash type thingos but i've never seen a Gretsch one. Sorry!

[mel_bound]

Paintshop Pro isn't as powerful, but it's pretty damn good. I use it.

[Fritz]

is there anywhere that i can (illegally of course) download a version of paint shop pro ?

[Julian]

Try any torrent site... torrentspy.com or isohunt.com should have it

[Fritz]

such as ???


im not down with this stuff

[Kevin]

i think i've got a copy of that, but photoshop is better anyway

[WHITE FALCON]

im in the same boat as mick. :D

[WHITE FALCON]

i have photo shop but not service pack 2 coz when i install it it ask's me for my registration key and ofcourse i didnt pay for XP :p

thats my dilema, unless you can get a version of photo shop that runs service pack 1

[Kevin]

i have photoshop custom suite 2, i don't think there's a specific service pack 2 install.

[Julian]

such as ???


im not down with this stuff

torrentspy.com or isohunt.com but you'll need a torrent downloader like Bitlord or Azureus

[WHITE FALCON]

i have photoshop custom suite 2, i don't think there's a specific service pack 2 install.

what service pack do are you running?

bcoz bones showed me a photo shop that needed service pack 2 to install and yeah.

[BonesTLE]

You're just dodgy, Arin.
Trying to save money by building your own PC and now you've come unstuck when you want to run a pirate copy of PhotoShop! :D

[Deanis]

This is all getting rather illegal, but look for Photoshop CS2 9.0
Pretty much any torrent site should have it, and they always come with the necessary cracks and codes etc.
Alternatively you could save some money, buy the real thing, and feel good about it......maybe :P

[thelivingvines]

awh, those poor software developers ay? being paid so so so so much for work that everyone is stealing.

[BonesTLE]

Maybe if they didn't charge such a ridiculous amount the average person would buy it rather than download it... :D

[thelivingvines]

yep. tis true. Actually having said that, if you knew the amount of work that went into writing the source code for a programme like that then you would probably understand. It takes forever and it's probably not the most fun.

[Sammas]

Its a paradox. They have to raise the prices of software to compensate for sales lost through piracy, but by raising the price they push more people towards using pirated versions.

Piracy is bad. Dont do it. I am sure you will enjoy the day when you try and make money off your music, yet everyone shrugs and says "i'll just download it".

:eek:

[Deanis]

Yer, well I think with a program like Photoshop, which is progressively updated from version to version (and not by all that much I must add), they could surely afford to drop the price....

[MONDAY]

i know someone whos actually seen it and held it but wont tell me a thing about it :(

[BonesTLE]

Now that could be taken the wrong way! :D

I actually think photoshop is a great program and the developers deserve to charge what they want for it...

[Sammas]

Yer, well I think with a program like Photoshop, which is progressively updated from version to version (and not by all that much I must add), they could surely afford to drop the price....

What are you talking about? You don't buy a new addition everytime it is released, you can upgrade your 4 year old version of photoshop 7 to CS2 for $300aus.

Photoshop isn't a program designed for little school kids to make goofy photos. It is a professional program aimed for users in a professional context. If you are a freelancer who earns $9000 doing an 8 day project, the cost of the software is petty cash. Particularly when they probably got the job because they know how to use the software.

Photoshop is cheap compared to others out there. I bought Nuendo 3 last year, $3000. Be happy you don't need Autocad or Avid editing suites because they have a price tag that will make you cry.

[WhitefalconTLE44]

Monday, do u mean u know someone who held the chris cheney model? if so, you should blackmail him/her until they tell you about it:D

[Johnny_Wah]

I agree!

Also do you think Chris will retire his other guitars to use his signature one more?

[BonesTLE]

I'm guessing he won't take as many of his older guitars on the road.
Then again I could be wrong.

[damo0945]

he only takes three on the road anyway doesnt he?

[Julian]

I think so... and an acoustic of course. If he finally gets this signature guitar that no one has heard anything new from, i'm sure he'll tour with it. But jeez, this whole signature guitar is coming out soon thing has been around for ages. Don't hold your breath

[mel_bound]

But jeez, this whole signature guitar is coming out soon thing has been around for ages. Don't hold your breath

Or alternatively they could hold their breath, and fall unconcious from lack of oxygen and then they would stop gasbagging about the damn guitar.

[Julian]

I like the way you think!

[Fritz]

i reckon mondays friend is full of shit :D

[Sammas]

I reckon you are all full of shit!
























...i am going to take a dump.

[BonesTLE]

... this whole signature guitar is coming out soon thing has been around for ages. Don't hold your breath

It's definitely happening man. Fritz would be the man to talk to about it but he can't say too much at this stage.
I spoke to someone in the Gretsch world who comfirmed the rumors a while back - but no names: no court-marshalls :D

[Fritz]

im about to make a few calls to see if i can find out any more info......

[Julian]

It's definitely happening man. Fritz would be the man to talk to about it but he can't say too much at this stage.
I spoke to someone in the Gretsch world who comfirmed the rumors a while back - but no names: no court-marshalls :D
It's been definitely happening for fucking ages

[Jawn]

Back on the topic of piracy (Software). Don't do it. I'm a qualified Software Engineer and know the heartache it takes to write a decent application. You're a little bitch if you rip off programs and sook about the price when you have no clue what goes into making an application to start with.

[Johnny_Wah]

Isn't this topic on Chris' guitar? Ah well, carry on

[damo0945]

im about to make a few calls to see if i can find out any more info......

dont you know a fair bit already that you cant tell us? and youre just telling us this to tease us some more?

[MONDAY]

Monday, do u mean u know someone who held the chris cheney model? if so, you should blackmail him/her until they tell you about it:D

yep!! dont worry i wont stop begging:)

[MONDAY]

i reckon mondays friend is full of shit :D

hmm maybe but he's the tour managers son so there is a chance

[MONDAY]

awesome!
can you chuck the pic up?

[Fritz]

hahahaha on the net ? NO

:rolleyes:

[thelivingvines]

chris said it was done though? and that it was just in america for gretsch's approval. or do you think that he meant that his part in the design of it is done and being approved for manufacture? whatever. You know what, I am so glad that they take the time to do these things properly and make sure that it is a guitar that does justice to chris and is a suiatble tribute. I would far rather that than a white falcon with some stickers on it.

[MONDAY]

hahahaha on the net ? NO

:rolleyes:

cmoooon send it to me??:D

[thelivingvines]

would you PM me the pic? I would of course swear on my white falcon that I would not distribute it in any direction whatsoever.

[MONDAY]

yeah what he said

[thelivingvines]

yeah what he said

he? he? the name's Giles m'boy and don't you forget it.

[MONDAY]

ok Giles, ill keep that in mind!

[thelivingvines]

ok Giles, ill keep that in mind!

haha, I'm just joshing with ya.

[MONDAY]

so any ideas how they plan to distribute these guitars?

[thelivingvines]

last i heard they were only going to start by making 15 or so and take it from there. I guess a few will go to chris anyway. I wonder if Scot would want one?

[MONDAY]

so i guess from there its first in first served, its gonna be hard work getting your hands on one!
oh and if you e-mail it to Giles(look i remember) then your going to have to do the same to me:D

[BonesTLE]

There's a guy from Gretsch I speak to occasionally, I don't know if this guy is really 'in the know' on the Chris' guitar issue but he indicated that there may be as many as 50 being made.

This isn't me making stuff up here - I'm sceptical too... :D
All I'll ask is that if it turns out to be false, you don't shoot me :p

[Falcon Of Death]

read the news on the main page or if you are friends with tle on myspace look at ur bulletins everyone!!! (exciting news!!!!)

[BonesTLE]

Can't wait for this... We know so much about it but it's going to be great to actually see it.

[Fritz]

for anyone interested i cannot show a photo of it on the net (the guitar) but i got a photo of it on my msn if anyones interested heeeheee

[Neo]

for anyone interested i cannot show a photo of it on the net (the guitar) but i got a photo of it on my msn if anyones interested heeeheee
whats your address? :D

[BonesTLE]

He's got the best hotmail address out there: even Chris is jelous he can't get his own name at hotmail :D

[mel_bound]

Cryptic.. I still don't get it :p

[wizard_23]

hmm nice msn name. wats the story behind it???

[mel_bound]

Excellent, added, now get your arse online Mick hahaha

[thelivingvines]

is there an underscore? just one word?

[BonesTLE]

Just one word... check out his forum profile

[Deanis]

Its been 26 days since TLE themselves said theyd be releasing info on the guitar.... come on guys!!!! like 4weeks is too long!

[mel_bound]

quit your bitching people!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/BennyD/TLE_COURIER_MAIL_28_02_07.jpg
the body's really small... :p

[thelivingvines]

'bout the size of an anni? just a bit fatter would you say? that's what it looks like to moi.

[mel_bound]

Yeah it looks like Annie size but the headstock makes the neck look really thick I think!

[Julian]

The headstocks bigger than the guitar!

[Deanis]

I like the proportions....closer to a Penguin IMO. The white pickguard looks very tacky tho, I'd replace it with a see-thru one.

[thelivingvines]

It's a silver pickguard from what I can tell. And if the falcon is anything to go by then there will be silver sparkles and a silver truss rod cover. Not sure what sort of gretsch logo to expect- horizontal and plaque or vertical white falcon styleee. Can't really see. I suppose these are some of the cosmetic things being sorted out? I think the huge headstock looks quite cool... somehow it seems balanced.

[WHITE FALCON]

i've seen it fairly close. the headstock is silver sparkle and is the vertical gretsch writting (at least im pretty sure!). just remember that picture is obviously a dodgey shot and you cant see everything about the guitar soo we shouldnt go judging it on what it looks like now.

[WHITE FALCON]

back me up mick, you've got all the info :)

[Fritz]

heres a photo i took when i had it http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2773/chrischeneysiggo0.jpg

[WHITE FALCON]

hahahah i love it that nobody is online during the day!

whats wrong with the head, did the flash fuck it up?

[Fritz]

yeah just a camera thing

[WHITE FALCON]

soo it is the vertical GRETSCH hey with silver sparkle

[The Dying Start]

Not bad. Not overly fussed with it over all to be honest, but it's growing on me.

[Fritz]

Yeah. Chris isnt all that fond of the whole gold thing. And finds it easier playing "16 inch bodies. He kinda convinved himself that ever since Big Day Out 06. When he played his old annie white one of his falcons (he was using 2 falcons at the time) was broke and getting repaired.

He purchased the 6120 and the Tenne' due to him prefering to play the smaller bodies live.

The sig sig model was pretty muched designed just after Big Day Out 06...

Anything else you wanna know ? Ask me. Yes I do do threesomes. Oh wait.. wrong thread.

Cheers

[WHITE FALCON]

have you talked to chris about it mick?

[WhitefalconTLE44]

any word on when its coming out yet or how many? oh yeah, thanks for the picture:D

[Fritz]

have you talked to chris about it mick?

yep i have , heaps

[Kacky]

Oo! Thanks for posting the pic, Fritz! :D

[Fritz]

thats okay. i was told by guys at fender to not show anyone but since there is now official press out with a photo of it, whats the harm ?

[WHITE FALCON]

what does he want changed?

coz rae said it was being sent for small cosmetic changes?

[Fritz]

at this point i havent spoken to him since he got it, however let me try find out.

[WHITE FALCON]

hahah you are a legend :)

i just showed bones. he rekons its awesome!

[Jodez]

quite an intersting pic Mick. Good onya Haha

its to bare lol..only cause im so used to seeing the POW on the other one

[thelivingvines]

Yeah. Chris isnt all that fond of the whole gold thing.

then why do you think he picked out the white falcon in the first place seeing as its got a lot of gold going on? when you can get the same sound from something else then why bother with a guitar you aren't that keen on?

and thanks for the pic mick, fuckin' awesome of you to post it!

[Deanis]

Fritz, why did Chris choose to have a zero-fret? And which knob has been removed from the left bout? Also, do we know what the offical headstock will probably look like? ALSO does that TLE logo look just as huge and way over the top in real life? AAAND in theory won't this guitar be cheaper than a normal Falcon? Its smaller, doesnt have ANY gold plating, nor does it have a (gold) Bigsby... Thx for any answers!
(BTW, I want one, buh I'll have to rip off that pickguard if that TLE logo doesnt shrink!)