White Noise

[Deadcat Kaye]

They played White Noise on Triple this morning :D
I reckon they'll play it on Triple J every day this week
YAY!

[Absolution]

And I heard it too! Yay! :D

I missed the start and probably tuned in about half a min through the song. Anyway, it was enough for me! Sounded fantastic! :D

[Weston]

And soon we can start waiting for the B-Sides collection, White Trash. (nyuk, nyuk, nyuk)

[WHITE FALCON]

its on dew process's myspace if you want it on your mysapce.

[stix]

WHITE NOISE SONG ON DEW PROCESS SITE!!

http://www.dew-process.com/
sorry if this has already been posted....

(oh and if you go into your temp internet files its stored as an mp3)

b-rad/stix

[WHITE FALCON]

lol didnt i just write that.
cheers for the link but
if i were you i'd put the bit in brackets in white text like this ;)

[stix]

hahaha same timing!

Oh well
enjoy!

[Kacky]

White Noise is also up on their MySpace. :cool: *Changes profile song*

[carrymehomestead]

Chorus:
All that I'm hearing from you
Is white noise,
White noise.

If looks could kill
I'd be in trouble right now
Time stands still
When you're around

I gave you all my time
And you gave me all your lines
And you just come around
To say goodbye

Now here we stand
With our hearts in our hands
Squeezing out all the life

All that I hear
Is a message unclear
What else is there to decide?

(Chorus)

You promised me your soul
And then left me in the cold
No warning and without a reason

Your placing yourself in a world of mistrust
Making excuses it's not you, it's us
How can something unspoken seem so loud?

And now all that I'm hearing from you...

(Chorus)

The operator comes on the line
Said, "Hurry up man, cos you ain't got much time..."
White noise, white noise...


(Chorus)



p.s.
Chris's lyrics are finally back...tune sounds like London Calling The Clash to me.

[WHITE FALCON]

ummmm tle just posted a bulletin about new merch !!
whats its got in it
i cant read it atm

[white_noise]

Just All the old Merch, but discounted postage n stuff

[Amur]

oh yeah it waS hard but I got last large jacket with script logo for my bf and not the last small one for myself.someone was going to buy it too so I had to check when it set free every 4 minutes.ah.
at least I paid 48 AUD for shipping while Aus citizens don't pay anything.oh well!

[Deadcat Kaye]

I LOVE WHITE NOISE BECAUSE SCOTT SLAPS! :D

I only realised earlier today when listening to it on Triple J :p

[Habibster]

yeah, it's awesome to see a bit of the slap back :)

i was a bit disappointed when i heard there were going to be 11 songs on the album, but then i thought about it for a few more seconds and realised thats its better to have 11 awesome songs than 14 average ones. I think i was more disappointed that rats missed the cut, but hopefully it'll be a b-side on the first single..we'll get to hear it earlier :)

[Deadcat Kaye]

Rats is on the album...Says so in Jmag!!

[damo0945]

actually according to Rae it isn't...

[Deadcat Kaye]

:eek:
but...
but....

EDIT: I see the post nd stuff....It's still on a b-side...NO WORRIES XD

[Sarah]

Seriously guys, how long is it gonna take for everyone to realise everything JJJ says it pretty much rubbish ?? :p

[Deadcat Kaye]

hahaha WELL I think we/I got the wrong impression...coz it didn't EXACTLY say it was ont he album...But it gave an awesome description and there was something about it never hitting the reording studio until it went down like a storm at TLN show.

NO HARM THOUGH
Still gonna hear it again! and I'm absolutely pumped for knowing that! :D

[gretsch25]

Does anyone know what songs will be on the album?

[Kacky]

White Noise, How Do We Know. :p

[gretsch25]

LOL!! I was kind of guessing those two would be on the album. But what are the other nine?

[strahanie]

So i reckon these are on the album:

White Noise
How Do We Know
Waiting For The Silence
Moment In The Sun
Kid
November
Make The Call
Loaded Gun
Raise The Alarm


thats nine, so some other contenders:

Suzy
21st Century
She's Calling Out
Hey Hey Disbeliever
Faith
New Frontier

and out of those my faves are Faith, HHD n Suzy



Damn, still something like 6 weeks til we find out

[Shadow]

hahaha WELL I think we/I got the wrong impression...coz it didn't EXACTLY say it was ont he album...But it gave an awesome description and there was something about it never hitting the reording studio until it went down like a storm at TLN show.
Yep, it wasn't very clear but, the way I read it was that Triple J were being played demo tapes of songs by Chris or something and they wrote a little bit about the ones they liked the sound of - but it never confirmed that any on the list were IN or OUT.

Also, the interview would've been at least a month or two old (maybe even three, it might say in the article) before it was printed in Jmag.

[Shadow]

thats nine, so some other contenders:

Suzy
21st Century
She's Calling Out
Hey Hey Disbeliever
Faith
New Frontier

and out of those my faves are Faith, HHD n Suzy

Damn, still something like 6 weeks til we find out
I'm sure we'll have a tracklisting by the end of June, so don't stress - and don't forget about those two other songs, "Beware The Moon" and "Sum Of Us".

[Sabbz]

http://a529.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/10/l_24af3ab098a8d31affff0072b351d0d8.jpg

Stolen from Myspace, such brilliance!

[patty_ww]

Also note that some of the new songs (ie. beware the moon etc.), could just be a new title...

[strahanie]

Good point

[white_noise]

Also note that some of the new songs (ie. beware the moon etc.), could just be a new title...


New Frontier anyone:confused:

[Burner]

I was unsure of the new font but after i saw the big arse pick ^ and got a bettter look at it i'm liking it.

[matt6n]

What was the name of that song that had the finger picking?? Pretty sure they played it at Rubys, not sure about Ding Dongs. Cheney was sort of singing like an old school reverend. That was a wicked tune

[white_noise]

Faith ????

[strahanie]

awesome song, hope its made it, might be a B side tho cause its quite different

[white_noise]

Im really worried that New frontier wont make it

[Colezy]

I will wet myself if Faith and New Frontier make it!! Love those two. Plus Suzy.

If not, then B-SIDES, THEY HAVE TO BE B-SIDES!!

[Sabbz]

How has everybody heard so many of the new songs? Is it just from going to the Longnecks gigs, or do alot of you have live audio files?

I know sharing isn't allowed I'm just curious.

[Colezy]

I heard them all at serveral of the longnecks gigs...after you'd been to a few of them, you start to know the songs and what not and can decide on what you do/don't like :)

I recorded some two of the gigs on my phone (both were pretty crappy quality, one more so than the other).

Plus some of us took a few videos here and there. And other people have posted the stuff on youtube, obviously.

[Matt]

You know what I really hope?

That there's an instrumental track on the album. That would freaking kick so much arse it'd be unbeleivable.

[Colezy]

Yeah..they pulled off a few awesome jams/instrumental type things throughout the longnecks gigs!

[Craigels]

Can you hear TLN songs on youtube?


EDIT: nevermind, posted that too late

[Colezy]

Yeah there's a few...some were posted by shannon but you had to be super quick cos then set them to private :p

Ummm, yeah you can go find them yourself :p They're not great quality or anything and there's only a handfull to look at. And there are some from the sydney gig last thurs.

[Kacky]

Man, sosososo excited. Seeing the artwork and hearing the songs makes me all "AHH."

Yes Nicole, I am still THAT excited.

[The Dying Start]

Excitement levels rising here too.

[patty_ww]

New Frontier anyone:confused:

I'd say its more likely HHD.... the riff is kind of "dark and funkified" (a little bit), besides while "Hey Hey Disbeliever" is a really catchy chorus, is that the best title for a song...

[Marv From NZ]

First album cover where the lads don't feature since um.... the self titled! Long bloody time. And here i was, thinking to myself that TLE were always gonna continue on down that road! I suck balls. :P

[Kacky]

I'd absolutely LOVE it if New Frontier made it, as well has Hey Hey Disbeliever.

[patty_ww]

I'd absolutely LOVE it if New Frontier made it, as well has Hey Hey Disbeliever.

Same.... Its a badass song...

[Kacky]

Definitely! If not, PLEASE LET IT BE A B-SIDE!

[The Dying Start]

We're usually blessed with alot of Bsides, especially ones that were popular in their Live airings!

[thesheltercrew]

New Frontier isn't a Donald Fagen cover is it, cause I would kiss people in inappropriate places for that to be the case.

[bringin' it all back home]

Haven't been on here in ages.

All this time I've been hearing White Noise,
I've thought the lyrics were

"If FOLKS could kill, I'd be in trouble right now"

But... I just found out it's not, so now I feel stupid. Woops!

[WHITE FALCON]

isnt it "if looks could kil" :p

[Kacky]

Yesh, White Falcon. :]

[Evil Chris]

If you want vids on youtube, search "The Teapot Conspiracy"

There's 5

Account: http://au.youtube.com/user/RollOn23

[##thelivingendfan##]

:)
i found that just before actually!

i was quite happy

[Deadcat Kaye]

How the hell do you people find these things?!

Jeez, I tried finding them even when I knew the name and couldn't find em!

[Evil Chris]

i was told by this random off my msn. he got my email on a lyrics website :/

[##thelivingendfan##]

i was hopingly looking for a vid of Kid, cuz i love that song..
and came across them :D

[Evil Chris]

Sorry to tell you guys, but the vids JUST got deleted.

I checked no more then 30 seconds before and they were still there.


Oh well, I told the guy who sent me the link to put those videos on youtube. He has already downloaded them and converted them to audio. And dont think "Its just some crappy low quality video" it is actually not, for once a fan has a decent camera.

[##thelivingendfan##]

i have the audio to them im pretty sure... ?

i think... ?
eep! *checks*

[WHITE FALCON]

cheers for that mate.

[Evil Chris]

cheers for that mate.
vids are actually set to private now, sorry. They were public no more then 5 mintues ago, i swear.

[WHITE FALCON]

PS it says its private.
oh wells i dont really mind
people are just so impatient and cant wait for the album to come out :)

[Colezy]

Those videos were put up by Shannon on here a few weeks back. They were all put up for about a day or so then set to private.

They're set to private cos TLE would prefer it if stuff from White Noise/the longnecks tour wasn't leaked on the net. I know that Chris has said that he has accepted that fact that in this day and age that stuff will end up on youtube anyway, but still, they're not asking for much (IMO).



*sigh* it was so nice without Evil Chris on here!

[Sarah]

yes
yes
and yes

oh, and I love how Evil Chris called Lauren/Shannon 'wankers' on their youtube page. What's that saying, the pot calling something-or-other...??

[Colezy]

The pot calling the kettle black :cool:

[Kacky]

I've seen all those videos a la Shannon, but I'm going to wait for the record before I watch them again! :)

[Jonnno]

*sigh* it was so nice without Evil Chris on here!

+11111111111111111111111111111111

[Aaron]

The pot calling the kettle black :cool:

Haha, I think Sarah knew it, and was just being coy.
But man I hope Glenn does something about the size of that signature with his new mod powerz.

[The Dying Start]

Don't use big little words like Coy. It makes me something something.

[white_noise]

Evil Chris is an Undeveloped attention seeking penishead.

[Matt]

Don't use big little words like Coy. It makes me something something.

Go crazy? ........

[The Dying Start]

DON'T MIND IF I DO!

http://i.pbase.com/o4/50/430950/1/53729818.crazy.gif

[thelivingvines]

I'm really disconcerted by the idea that Hey Disbeliever might not be on this record. I bloody love that youtube clip thats up. Be such a shame as I think it's such an awesome some. I hope at the very least it emerges as a b-side. Don't turn away is still one of my favourite songs.

[Sarah]

And There is No Radio is still one of mine!

[The Dying Start]

Transmission overload... HEY

[Colezy]

I love TINR too. Wow, that looks funny written like that! :p

I'm also really hoping that HHD will make the cut. I don't think that New Frontier will be (I hope so though!) and I would also love to see/hear Faith, but I reckon that's not going to happen either.

Was Suzy mentioned in jmag?? I know that Rats was and that Rae then confirmed for us that it ISN'T on the album, but I hope Suzy is too :)


BUT! In saying all of that, I love White Noise (single) and from the one time I've heard it, I love Make The Call.

[carrymehomestead]

I know theres various methods to record live bootlegs (I don't mean professionals, like a fan doing it) and they result in various qualities...I'd like to look more into it, because it'd be cool to be able to do it myself to have a document of the shows I go to. But anyway, It was strange how much higher quality that one clip of "Disbeliever" somebody put up on youtube from St. Kilda was than pretty much all the other longnecks videos...anyone know why it came out so much better? Is it the type of camera?

When I saw Radiohead last summer, a guy next to me had a device that looked like an old school tape recorder (the kind that are like rectangular with a little microphone attached by a curly cord) only...digital?? And he was holding out an attached little mic to record it...I figured it was probably picking up a decent, kinda muddy recording of the show the guy would just have for himself. But when I downloaded a bootleg of the show a few days later, it turned out it was that same guys bootleg (you could hear me and my friend laughing and saying stupid shit on quiet spots inbetween songs) and it was amazingly clear, probably just short of soundboard-rip quality...not only listenable, but like something I'd pay for if a band had released it officially. I'd love to find out what this device is...imagine being able to have an almost cd-quality bootleg of every show you go to...you could have a whole dated library of shit you saw over the years!!! Not only to check out new songs as they're debuted, but just to have the shows (so you can show the whipper-snappers what they were missing when youre an old bastard)...I mean, I love listening to old TLE live at the wireless' and shit and its not like I haven't heard all those songs 80-million times. There might even be more than like one Roll On-era concert out there! I'll try and find a link to that Radiohead bootleg, maybe somebody can tell me what the device is?

This is probably way off topic and im sorry, but theres too many informed and cool people on this board for me not to bring my questions here. I know I'm not a very dynamic and well-known figure on this board (I'm no Glenn), but having been a board queer since 01', I love ya'all : )

[Sarah]

I do my bootlegs on my digital camera. The first few bootlegs I did turned out ok (that is far superior to all the phone clips on youtube) soundwise, but for various reasons the vid/picture was shit. I've got some clips from the Longnecks Corner gig from a few years back, the same as the ones Luke uploaded to youtube. The picture from mine is nothing compared to those, but the sound is slightly better. Then i got a new camera that could take better photos in general, but the sound in that is fairly average...its okay for accoustic sets, but it doesn't like real loud noises, so it distorts for everything i want it for.

And while i'm at it, I don't understand why people insist on uploading 40 seconds of crap to youtube all the time. You can't see anything, most the time you can't even make out what song it is, and if you could they don't bother putting up the whole song anyway!

[The Dying Start]

I concur on all accounts.

And I haven't really been in the bootleg market, I've never even attempted it with a digital still camera like alot of people do. The Clipsal one my mate did on his video camera from the back of the crowd at an outdoor show and it was passable, but not fantastic. I suggest some google searching with a few different keywords, and you might get some good ideas on how best to go about it.

Or you could sleep with a sound tech and get him to plug you into the sounddesk!

EDIT:

A spot of information i came across... (http://www.imperfectly.com/boots/faq2.htm)

And some more... (http://www.gweep.net/~sfoskett/music/boothow.html)

[AlinaPOW]

I only ever tried once. that was at the first Palace show in '06 where i got sick of being trampled in the mosh so decided THAT would be my night for photos and whatnot, and the next night barrier it up... which worked.
Aaaaanyway; i have a sony cybershot, one of the very first models i believe and the sound on that recording's pretty damn great... too dark for it to pick up much though on the video...

[The Dying Start]

As much as i love photographing and recording bands, i generally end up pissed off at the end of the night that i didn't enjoy the show as much coz i was too busy concentrating on taking photos!

[Kacky]

What I usually do is bring a camera and save it until after (or before, because some venues are ghey) the gig if I end up meeting the band or whoever is performing. Sucks especially if your camera dies in the middle of the show, besides, other people will be taking photos anyway, so it's not like you're not going to see pictures from it.

[Shadow]

Links ahoy!

Looks like Take40 have a behind the scenes of White Noise video up, which is only 2:45 long but pretty interesting, covers the making of the song. You'll have to click the link on that page to watch the video (in a popup player).
http://www.take40.com/artists/1339/Living-End,-The

Next, I found this article on New World Artists' page - The Living End's bio, which has some info. about White Noise we may not have known about.

http://www.newworldartists.net/artists/index.cfm?artistid=8 (http://www.newworldartists.net/artists/index.cfm?artistid=8)

Here's the interesting stuff that relates to White Noise, for those who can't be stuffed clicking. I've bolded song titles. Hey Hey Disbeliever may not be dead after all!

To help them realise their vision for ‘White Noise’, The Living End sought a producer whom they felt could, in Cheney’s words, “capture the energy and attack we are after”. Enter John Agnello, who had previously pulled sounds for a host of impressive names, including Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr. and The Hold Steady. In April, at the behest of Agnello, The Living End converged upon Water Music Studios in Hoboken, New Jersey for four very intense weeks pre-production and recording. Tracking together live in the studio and recording straight-to-tape, the band and Agnello cut out all visible flab, keeping nothing but meat, bone and the raw essence of an amazing three-piece in full-flight.

Slamming the whole thing out in an astounding three weeks (with one week of pre-production at the start), White Noise was then mixed in eight days at Silent Studios in Atlanta, Georgia by Brendan O’Brien, the studio wizard also currently working on new records by AC/DC and Pearl Jam. Boasting eleven standout tracks, it kicks off fittingly with the blowtorch guitar-work and hard-arse funk groove of “How Do We Know”, slamming quickly into the explosive “Raise The Alarm”. Next up, first single and title track “White Noise” offers a spirited take on the band’s trademark sound, and (along with “Hey, Hey, Disbeliever”) helps build a bridge between the old sound and new. With solid rhythms and steady tempos, White Noise’s rockin’ central pillars, “Make The Call” and “Loaded Gun”, each showcase different aspects of the remodeled The Living End sound, while “Kid”, believe it or not sounds like a post Hamburg era Beatles in full flight. “21st Century” drags it at all to a breathtaking peak. Closing out the record, the laidback dub-reggae vibe of “Sum of Us” shows the diversity the band are capable of, while still remaining comfortable within their own skins.

I know the article only mentions 9 songs, but I think it's safe to assume that those 9 are on the album, with another 2 songs we're not sure of.

If I had to guess, I'd say the album consisted of:

How Do We Know
Raise The Alarm
White Noise
Hey, Hey, Disbeliever
Moment In The Sun
Make The Call
Loaded Gun
Kid
21st Century
Waiting For The Silence
Sum Of Us

I wonder what'll happen to Suzy, November, and the rest - I only heard new songs they played at the festival shows (wasn't 18 at the time of the Longnecks tour). B-sides, I pray? I doubt they'll all end up as B-sides, there's about 8 leftover tracks we know exist...

[Sarah]

oooh, nice work. Love that video. Still loving White Noise :)

[##thelivingendfan##]

ah gosh!

i'll be sooo happy if Kid is on the album..
fell in love with that song first time i heard it..
:):)

[Sabbz]

YES!

Hey, Hey Disbeliever baby!

[WHITE FALCON]

thanks for those links!
wicked tracklisting i think.
havnt heard most of em but their descriptions sound alright.

i heard there is a lack of solo's on this album but :(

[WhitefalconTLE44]

Thanks for the links!

[thelivingvines]

thanks for those links!
wicked tracklisting i think.
havnt heard most of em but their descriptions sound alright.

i heard there is a lack of solo's on this album but :(

understandable though don't you think- I think Chris wants to be remembered for more than his solos- I get the feeling that with this album what they want is for when our generation gets asked which TLE album they should go out and buy- that it should be white noise. Chris wants to be remembered for being an outstanding songwriter and not just a guitarist.

[thelivingvines]

....also glad to hear HHD is going to be on the album. I reckon it has the potential to be a favourite of mine.

Loaded Gun is about the guy who got shot by the cops in London ay?

[Aaron]

That's the impression I got when I heard it at the Art Factory gig.

[patty_ww]

I can't see the videos... It just says "authorizing"...

[thelivingvines]

me too... are you by any chance a mac chap(ette) like me?

[The Dying Start]

Well then you brought it all upon yourselves then. Mpsh. Mac.

[thelivingvines]

Well then you brought it all upon yourselves then. Mpsh. Mac.

yeah? how are those viruses working out for ya?

[The Dying Start]

I don't have any. I use a virus scanner. Neato!


How are those STD's working out for you??!

[patty_ww]

me too... are you by any chance a mac chap(ette) like me?

Nope, Vista my friend...

...and i'm a dude (my name is pat, as in patrick)

[Aaron]

Try Firefox 3. It's out today!

http://www.spreadfirefox.com/files/images/affiliates_banners/180x150_02c_en.png (http://www.spreadfirefox.com/en-US/worldrecord/)

[The Dying Start]

Aaron, don't make me ban you for being a spambot.

[Kacky]

Awesome! Thanks for the links Shadow! :)

[Aaron]

Well, they were talking about problems with their viewing of things on the internet. It was relevant!

[Kacky]

Ah, the videos wont play for me. Is someone able to do rippage? :)

[Colezy]

I have been trying to, but no luck. YET!

[Kacky]

Ahh, c'mon you silly thing you. Play for Chelsea and somehow save on to her computer!

[patty_ww]

I think for some reason it won't accept IPs from outside Australia...

[Sarah]

Try Firefox 3. It's out today!

http://www.spreadfirefox.com/files/images/affiliates_banners/180x150_02c_en.png (http://www.spreadfirefox.com/en-US/worldrecord/)


awesome, installing x2 now :)

[Kacky]

I think for some reason it won't accept IPs from outside Australia...

Yeah. Not cool. Tsktsk.

If someone in Australia can do rippage, I'll love you forever! Can't be arsed at finding a proxy! :p

[thelivingvines]

I don't have any. I use a virus scanner. Neato!


How are those STD's working out for you??!

I remember when I used to have to waste time and money on those....

and I'm winning at STD bingo.... so, very well indeed.

[thelivingvines]

Nope, Vista my friend...

...and i'm a dude (my name is pat, as in patrick)

ooohhh.... awwwkkkwwwaarrddd.
I guess it's because MNL is xenophobic.

[WHITE FALCON]

hahaha.
macs are better... for somethings
PC's are better... for more things.

i still want a mac :)

[Colezy]

If I had enough money, I'd get one just cos they LOOK cool. Doesn't mean I'd use it :p Not very often, anyway. I'd need to learn HOW to use it first! haha

[Shadow]

If I had enough money, I'd get one just cos they LOOK cool. Doesn't mean I'd use it :p Not very often, anyway. I'd need to learn HOW to use it first! haha
Looks can be decieving...

[RollOn]

If I had enough money, I'd get one just cos they LOOK cool. Doesn't mean I'd use it :p Not very often, anyway. I'd need to learn HOW to use it first! haha

hahaha same here!
My brother wanted to get one a while ago and tried one in the shop. He thought he'd pressed the right button for the start menu or whatever and ended up shutting down the computer lol

[Colezy]

Looks can be decieving...
Which is why i said I probably wouldn't use it! :p

I tried on once, but cos I was raised using PC's I didn't have a clue how to use it and got fed up with it!


Lauren - that's what I'd do!

[RollOn]

I tried on once,
Lauren - that's what I'd do!

You tried it on! :eek:

[mel_bound]

psh, I had to learn to use macs at school, they weren't as great as people made out really, and I've managed to freeze them a few times and they're damn counter-intuitive!
:p
However, I wouln't say no to a macbook, but acquiring one isn't really not high on my agenda

*edit*
oh this is in the white noise thread?
yay new music is only a month and a bit away oh man awesome!

[Colezy]

You tried it on! :eek:
What?! You're not meant to try them on? Oh damn! :o :p


And yes, back on topic. I was thinking that it would be cool to have a black and white film clip for White Noise :cool:

Anyone else think so? Yes? No?

[Jonnno]

What?! You're not meant to try them on? Oh damn! :o :p


And yes, back on topic. I was thinking that it would be cool to have a black and white film clip for White Noise :cool:

Anyone else think so? Yes? No?

Just like whats on your radio? no.

maybe partly black and white, like at the start of muse's dvd.

[Colezy]

Oh yeah. I forgot about WOYR!! :p But something without as much footage of them playing..something that tells a story more... I don't know!

I haven't seen the muse dvd.

[thelivingvines]

If I had enough money, I'd get one just cos they LOOK cool. Doesn't mean I'd use it :p Not very often, anyway. I'd need to learn HOW to use it first! haha

you wouldn't need to learn anything- if my father and mother can handle them then anyone can. The only reason people think they're counter intuitive is because they're so used to PCs. If you used common sense then you wouldn't find it odd at all.

They're so much more simple than PCs- I've had mine for.... 4 years now and it hasn't gone wrong once- neither has it shown me any meaningless error warnings, had a virus, shut down on me for no reason, needed re-formatting, needed de-fragging, or generally wasted any or my time or money at all. Best computer I've ever had: hands down. You couldn't pay me to go back to PCs.

slightly back on topic- are we expecting all the songs that won't make the album to end up as B-sides on the singles that they release?
also when are we expecting a white noise music video?

[Jonnno]

Yeah I agree, havent really been many storylines from tle. which is a shame because a few songs have some pretty good lyrics to go with a story.

[Colezy]

I KNEW my comment on mac's would end up with a few replies! :p Always does! haha


And Jonno - I agree. Loaded gun would make for a good story telling clip, but it could end up...controversial maybe?? I dunno. There'd be some people who would take it the wrong way or something.

[Jonnno]

Hmmm, I think it would make for an awesome clip. dont know if controversy is something they'd be worried about.

[WHITE FALCON]

dude macs and pc are so simliar now its not even funny.
macs used to be all about audio visual and couldnt do the word processing etc
but now they can
and i mean fuck.. macs run on intel based hardware now so they're getting more and more similiar
who fuckin cares lol
imo macs are better for audio visual as always. pc's are better for everything else that i couldnt be bothered to learn about on a mac =]
end of the day i'de have a PC desktop and a mac laptop or they other way around.
one for my digital recording etc etc
and one for msn and all that normal stuff we do on pc's

anyways back on topic. i think loaded gun could be very controversial but yeah i dont think TLE would be worried about it.
as for black and white i dont think so. i think maybe something different to what they've ever done.
thats what they're going for on this album isnt it?

[Habibster]

I think Loaded Gun would make for a solid video clip, even if it pretty much just tells the story of the lyrics.

And about the controversy part, i guess that negative publicity can be good in a way, ala more people know about the song, which in turn transfers into the possibility of more album/single sales, etc.

[thelivingvines]

imo macs are better for audio visual as always. pc's are better for everything else that i couldnt be bothered to learn about on a mac =]

what everything else? word is identical so there's no difference there. As for internet or msn and they're both identical as well- torrents etc run exactly the same. The only other stuff you do is play with viruses, close pop-ups, and ignore pointless and unhelpful warnings. They have a shorter lifespan and hoard useless information that wastes your memory. I spilled soup- proper sticky tomato soup- all over my mac and not a thing has gone wrong with it since I cleaned it up. Built. To. Last.
If you're a gamer then a PS3 or an xbox is way better.
Logic Pro is THE piece of recording software to have if you use your computer for recording- not that we advocate illegal downloading here but there are so many torrents of it that you wouldn't have to buy it. I just don't see any advantages to PCs at all.

we are on topic! mac's are white (mostly) and there's a lot of noise about them.;)

We've got so many clips of them playing (TM, PITM, LLTW) I think that's been done... they need to do something new. I have to say I was never crazy about the nothing lasts forever clip either.... rock and a hard place.

[thelivingvines]

on a cheeky aside- I have heard rumous that there is potential for the custom to be announced at NAMM tomorrow..... just a rumour.... but a rumour nonetheless.

[Aaron]

I reckon the story from the Nothing Lasts Forever video clip could be continued for White Noise...

[The Dying Start]

I reckon the story from the Nothing Lasts Forever video clip could be continued for White Noise...

Lookout! Aaron's an ideas man!

[Colezy]

I reckon the story from the Nothing Lasts Forever video clip could be continued for White Noise...

Yes!

When I wrote my other posts about having white noise being done as a black and white and actually having a story to it, I then thought that maybe it would be too similar to NLF. But having it continue on would be a rather cool idea! :cool:

[thelivingvines]

why do that when that's not what the song is about? you can't just make up another meaning for a song to suit a music video.

[The Dying Start]

Who says that's not what it's about? Lyrics are open to intepretation! Next you'll be telling me Puff The Magic Dragon isn't about Ganja.

[Colezy]

why do that when that's not what the song is about? you can't just make up another meaning for a song to suit a music video.

White Noise could very easily follow on from NLF, if you go by what Chris said about White Noise in the take 40 videos :)

[thelivingvines]

the song is about an argument is it not?.... well, hasn't that already happened in NLF? I thought it was pretty clear in that video that she left. why make the same video again, and why the hell would that character go back?

and try this idea on for size- so far a lot of the publicity about white noise has been about TLE reinventing themselves- why attatch themselves to the last album in that way?

and besides the continuation thing has been done by Green Day- and I think we've had enough of those comparisons, don't you? imagine what that would do for people in the US and UK getting into the band- "they're just copying greenday"- I can hear it already.

[AlinaPOW]

Just like whats on your radio? no.


maaaaaaaan.... i LOVED the WOYR clip!! It so fits in with my favourite movie genres and filming style, the things a masterpiece!! :P
Also the aussie Roll On clip, that's probably my favourite... seriously... best argument solver ever!!!

[thelivingvines]

No, I'm the best argument solver ever- by being right.

[drifta_21]

Nope. Chuck Norris says that NLF won't be continued.

lol jk, but it would be interesting if they do end up continuing the video, I wonder what the director/producer would pull out of their hat. Personally, I call for a Pictures In The Mirror-type video.

[Sarah]

I think this album deserves some videos of similar epic-ness and story-like-ness to WER, Roll On, WOYR and NLF.

Please no LLTW-types!

[thelivingvines]

Who says that's not what it's about? Lyrics are open to intepretation! Next you'll be telling me Puff The Magic Dragon isn't about Ganja.

Lyrics are open to interpretation- but why would Chris re-interpret lyrics he wrote for the sake of a music video?
And puff the magic dragon isn't about Ganja- 'Chasing the Dragon' is a term associated with smoking crack, is it not? I believe therefore it's about crack and not the ol' wacky backy.

[Deadcat Kaye]

maaaaaaaan.... i LOVED the WOYR clip!! It so fits in with my favourite movie genres and filming style, the things a masterpiece!! :P
Also the aussie Roll On clip, that's probably my favourite... seriously... best argument solver ever!!!

I totally and utterly agree :p

[Kacky]

Can someone please rip the Take 40 videos as I CANNOT view them?

[Colezy]

I wasn't able to rip them :(

[Kacky]

Some other computer whiz might be able to! :)

[Caity]

Wow ... TLE was on Take 40?
What'd they say?
When?
I'm out of the loop :p

[Colezy]

Gosh Caity! :p

Someone, can't remember who, posted this link...

http://www.take40.com/artists/1339/Living-End,-The

[Deadcat Kaye]

That's an awesome vid! :p

[The Dying Start]

It's a bit of a mess of code, that site. It's a hard one to rip.

[Shadow]

Gosh Caity! :p

Someone, can't remember who, posted this link...

http://www.take40.com/artists/1339/Living-End,-The
Ow, my pride. :p

[Colezy]

Well I found more too. Dunno if they were posted around the SOE album release or not. I can't remember!

24th Oct 2006 (http://www.take40.com/artists/1339/questions/145/Living-End,-The)

22nd Aug 2006 - 'I only wear grey underpants when I play live' (http://www.take40.com/artists/1339/questions/161/Living-End,-The)

Andy looks so much younger, even though it was only two years ago.

[thelivingvines]

i really hope somone finds a way to rip all of these. No hope of seeing them otherwise.

[Kacky]

Majority rules! :p

[The Dying Start]

Andy looks so much younger, even though it was only two years ago.

Don't smoke, kids!

[Shadow]

http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/music/id/1151001

Tracklisting!

Disc 1:
1. How Do We Know
2. Raise The Alarm
3. White Noise
4. Moment In The Sun
5. Waiting For The Silence
6. Make The Call
7. Loaded Gun
8. Kid
9. 21st Century
10. Hey Hey Disbeliever
11. Sum Of Us

Disc 2:
1. DVD - Live at AC/DC Lane

In a digipack, apparently.

[Colezy]

Oh yeah. I was going to post that last night, but I found the track listing on ebay, so I was going to wait until something more...official??

Except it was like $28 on ebay :p

[Habibster]

From what i've heard, all of those songs could be singles. Looks like a pretty strong album.

[Kacky]

Woooot! I'm excited. :D

[Caity]

Oh fantastic!
Getting so close now ...

[tanguyen]

From what i've heard, all of those songs could be singles. Looks like a pretty strong album.

WHod' you hear that from?

[_jimmy_]

AWESOME!

Can't wait now...digipack eh?

TLE going green!

[Habibster]

WHod' you hear that from?

My brainzz..

from what i've heard of the songs.

[drifta_21]

COME ON BABY!!
/fanboyness rant
The tracks I've already heard that made it onto the album sound really solid, and the DVD's the cherry on the cake. A huge cherry with sprinkles. I say this one's a truly epic TLE album.

[thelivingvines]

I wonder what all the footage they took at the longnecks gigs was for then- and that snippet we saw when how do we know came out.... what's that about?

[_jimmy_]

*crosses fingers*

extras,extras,extras~ :D

[Absolution]

That or a promo comp. or something?
Guess we'll just have to wait and see eh? Gah! Excited! :D

[Matt]

STOP PRESS!!!

There's 11 songs on this album. 11 Songs /= 14.


:eek:

[Kacky]

You didn't know, errr, what? :p
11 tracks on this album guys - breaking with tradition.

[Matt]

rarrr

:o
10 chars,

[r2jeeves]

11 seems a little short, but i'd rather 11 awesome songs, then 11 awesome and 3 filler tracks.

[_jimmy_]

quality over quantity~

This album will be something completely different from the previous 4.

I just want to hear a studio version of Loaded Gun! :D

[Jonnno]

I'd rather have 11 awesome songs PLUS 3 fillers. More love.

[Deadcat Kaye]

WOAH
eery...Just clicke don this thread then White Noise came on Before The Game :D
Just before it went to an ad...Aww yeh.

[Sabbz]

WOAH
eery...Just clicke don this thread then White Noise came on Before The Game :D
Just before it went to an ad...Aww yeh.They also played it on Rove, but everybody probably knows that :P

[The Dying Start]

Geez, everybody knows that! :p

[Matt]

The also played it at the drag racing tonight! zomg.

...or they had the PA on a station that was playing it, either way...

[carrymehomestead]

I imagine this is one of those things I would've heard about by now, but any word on the b-sides for the White Noise single? With so many beloved (though I've heard all of about 2 of them) songs from The Longnecks gigs being left off the album, can we hope for some of them for some smokin' b-sides? Possibilities that come to mind: November, Suzy, Rats...I'm sure someone will post ones that I forgot.

I'm hoping for a situation like this...TLE used to be one of those bands whos b-sides were just as good if not BETTER than the tracks that made the album (Homestead, Witch Doctor, There Is No Radio, etc.). I felt like most of the b-sides that came out with last album's singles were copouts...alternate live versions of album tracks, even tracks that were already on the album! (Reborn, anybody?). We know they've got tons of extra stuff lyin' around...RELEASE IT!!! Maybe we need to start a petition...

[Marv From NZ]

Heard white noise on The Rock last night. Was playing GTA4 all night and i forgot to turn off an alarm on my stereo that i put on the day before for like 4.30am (exams!)! So yeah, was playing GTA4 then BOOOOOOM the stereo comes on and what's playing you might ask? Nothing special, just white noise... :)

[AlinaPOW]

http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/music/id/1151001

Tracklisting!

Disc 1:
1. How Do We Know
2. Raise The Alarm
3. White Noise
4. Moment In The Sun
5. Waiting For The Silence
6. Make The Call
7. Loaded Gun
8. Kid
9. 21st Century
10. Hey Hey Disbeliever
11. Sum Of Us

Disc 2:
1. DVD - Live at AC/DC Lane

In a digipack, apparently.


Oh thank the sweet holy lord of logical thinking and good taste... with the exception of Rats, New Frontier and Suzy, its all on there!!!!!!!!! Hallelujah! Now lets just hope those make it as b-sides 'coz if they don't.... *brandishes fist*
haha, i wonder if that Sum of Us track will be a play on words, i hope so, puns ahoy!
I acually can't listen to Moment in the Sun without singing "this is our moment to record"... its a curse! ;p

[Caity]

I'm kinda hopeful of November being a b-side, I think it was mentioned in Rolling Stone as being recorded so fingers crossed. It was definitely one of my favourites so I can only hope!

[The Dying Start]

Songs are very rarely lost forever. If all else fails, just wait for the next album and start whining about your favourite song being a bside (a la Flood The Sky)

[Sarah]

or album track, ala Into The Red

[Kacky]

New Frontier better make it into my media player somehow. :p

[mattheal]

id say with the amount of awesome songs we have heard from the album, that there will be a few singles all with some b sides which should include all the extra songs from the longnecks tour

[r2jeeves]

I couldn't imagine a scenario where they have a good deal of b-sides, and then not release them. I think the problem with SOE was they didn't have that many b-sides, other than like...Don't Turn Away. I haven't heard any of the songs other then the ones on the radio, but by what you guys have been saying they sound pretty awesome.

[Shadow]

Well, in terms of what we know of as that could potentially be coming our way - there's 8 songs:

Rats (confirmed)
Faith
She's Calling Out
Live to Love
Suzy (retitled "Listen Up Suzy" - will be on the White Noise Single)
New Frontier
November
Beware the Moon

Those are the songs we know about - there's always the possibility that they demoed more songs that they didn't play on the Longnecks tour (eg. Down To The Wire) - kinda like how Apeface was a brand spankin' new track on the LLTW single.

If they have three singles there's a good chance we'll see a majority of these songs turn up. The first single that precedes the album (in this case White Noise) usually has a track from the album on it, (ala WOYR featuring Reborn) to give a taste of the album to come. Presumably, White Noise will do the same (might even have HDWK), and have one "new" b-side.

Singles 2 and 3 are the best contenders to have a "motherload" of b-side goodies, think Wake Up and LLTW - I think that the second and third singles are likely to have 2 b-sides on each (unless they really want us to hear all the songs and they put the single track and 3 extra b-sides like LLTW did)

If they do a fourth single (I hope they do, they've got plenty of killer tracks to choose from from WN), it's possible that they'll put a new b-side and then fill the remainder with a live track - 'cause by the time the 4th single comes out, they'll have been on tour for a fair while, no doubt. Maybe Jailbreak as a live track?

If we have four singles, I'd hope we would get to hear the 8 tracks they played on the Longnecks tour, unless they have other unknown material they're going to put on singles, or they could be planning to save a song for the next album? (Faith?)

I think it'd be cool if they did the last single as an EP with 5 tracks (single song, 3 b-sides, and a live song).

So if anyone's still reading, my theory is:

Single #1:
- White Noise
White Noise, "album track", "new" song.

Single #2:
- Raise The Alarm
Raise The Alarm, two "new" songs.

Single #3:
- Loaded Gun
Loaded Gun, two "new" songs, live track.

If anyone read this rant in it's entirety, congratulations.

[_jimmy_]

thank you,interesting single forecast you have there.

I hope they do a b-sides compilation!

Kisschasy have only had 2 albums and they already have one out,same with The Killers.

[Shadow]

Woop, stop the presses - I found the White Noise single tracklisting. I was right!

http://chaos.com/product/white_noise_2214494_4780.html

http://chaos.com/coverscan/2215000/2214494.jpg

1. White Noise
2. How Do We Know
3. Listen Up Suzy

Looks like we're getting Suzy! I've never heard it, very excited.

[Caity]

I kinda figured HDWK would be on the White Noise single - it's been radio played to buggery prior to the album so it makes sense.
I liked Suzy though, if I'm thinking of the right song!

[The Dying Start]

They should mash Wake Up with Listen Up Suzy and maybe they'd get Wake Up Little Suzie out of it?! :p

[r2jeeves]

That was a pretty dead on theory.

[Deadcat Kaye]

SUZY!!!

Fuck I hope it's the song I'm thinkin of :D

but cool! Thanks!

[_jimmy_]

SHADOW!!

Predict Rats will be on one of the singles! :D

I like the cover of the single too

[thelivingvines]

i thought rats was supposed to be a b-side on this single?

[Shadow]

No need to predict it - Rae said it herself that it would be on one of the upcoming singles.

She didn't say it would be on White Noise, but a confirmed it to be on one of the album's singles. Probably the next one.

[Colezy]

They should mash Wake Up with Listen Up Suzy and maybe they'd get Wake Up Little Suzie out of it?! :p
Oh I like your thinking, Glenn!! :cool:

Woop, stop the presses - I found the White Noise single tracklisting. I was right!

http://chaos.com/product/white_noise_2214494_4780.html

http://chaos.com/coverscan/2215000/2214494.jpg

1. White Noise
2. How Do We Know
3. Listen Up Suzy

Looks like we're getting Suzy! I've never heard it, very excited.
Thanks for that!
I hope that apart form the title, that Suzy hasn't changed too much. I loved it!

[drifta_21]

The White Noise single tracklisting sounds awesome. I finally get to hear Listen Up Suzy after they had to cut the song out at the St. Kilda Fest. I shall buy it after school when it comes out (why'd school holidays have to finish the week before? lame...).

[Colezy]

Doesn't it come out on a Saturday, like the album does?? :p

[drifta_21]

Its a Monday, and that Monday happens to be the first day of term 3. At least I'll have a good day.

[Colezy]

Man. So what day does the single come out? The 7th?

I HATE KEEPING UP WITH DATES FOR THIS ALBUM!!! :p

[drifta_21]

The singles the 7th and the albums the 19th...I believe. There goes about $30 of my money on CD's.

[Colezy]

But $30 that will be very well spent!!

[drifta_21]

haha true, but that's not what my parents think. Than again, it's my money lolThey're uber-stingy

[Fritz]

But just think, your $30 is funding the band and the people helping the band keep on bringing out CD's :D

[Aaron]

I'm liking all this news :)

Also, hehehe:
taken from The Living Ends fifth studio Album, also titled 'White Nosie'

[Caity]

Lolz. Nosie.

I was talking to someone the other night, I forget who, and they said "noise" about six times before they realised they were supposed to be saying "nose".

'twas quite the funny.

[WhitefalconTLE44]

Was Suzy the real rockabilly one that people were talking about?

[Kacky]

Yup!

Thanks for the link! SO PUMPED.

[Jhudz]

Stupid question - what is a digipack?

[Aaron]

Wiki it: Digipak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digipak)

This is a Muse digipak. Basically the thing to note is that they themselves fold, i.e. aren't inserts in a plastic jewel case

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/azfish/musebhr2_small.jpg

[The Dying Start]

haha true, but that's not what my parents think. Than again, it's my money lolThey're uber-stingy

If parents can't find value in music then i feel quite sad for our society! And for you, in a music-less house!!:(

[BennyD]

not sure if its been posted, but from the jb hi fi online store...

White Noise (Collector's Ed) (CD & DVD)
The Living End
The collector’s edition will have bonus DVD of the ‘AC/DC Lane’ live recording and will come as a digipack.

Recorded in less than 5 weeks during April and May at Water Music Studios in Hoboken, New Jersey with producer John Agnello (Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr, The Hold Steady), The Living End then decamped to Atlanta, Georgia to mix the tracks with the legendary Brendan O'Brien (RATM, Soundgarden). O'Brien is a man in high demand with commitments to record the new AC/DC and Pearl Jam records either side of his work with The Living End. Setting a blistering pace, O'Brien mixed two tracks a day, completing the album in only 8 days.
Track listing
Disc 1:
1. How Do We Know
2. Raise The Alarm
3. White Noise
4. Moment In The Sun
5. Waiting For The Silence
6. Make The Call
7. Loaded Gun
8. Kid
9. 21st Century
10. Hey Hey Disbeliever
11. Sum Of Us
Disc 2:
1. DVD - Live at AC/DC Lane

[Kacky]

Yeah, I think there was a link posted a few pages back. I could be wrong though! Thanks!

[BennyD]

yeah woops... oh well

hopefully the video is on rage next week!!!!!!

[Kacky]

Ohhh man, video.

Can't.freakin'.wait. :D

[The Dying Start]

I hope it has boobies.

[Kacky]

Yes, let all the breasticles hang out. :rolleyes:

[The Dying Start]

I now dub thee "ChelseaBra", because you support my plan of Boobage in music videos.

[Kacky]

Hai. I'm the Prez of the BTC at school. True story. ;D

[The Dying Start]

The what?????

[Kacky]

*Cough* Big Tittie Committee.

[The Dying Start]

Hot Chelsea's Milkshake Brings All The Boys To The Yard

[Kacky]

Oh yes, definitely! ;) :p They get in the way though, tbh.

[Deadcat Kaye]

Wait til she gets to Australia. . . . .

[The Dying Start]

Oh, I will be. In the creepiest possible fashion.

[Deadcat Kaye]

Are you going to come to Melbourne to say g'day...then you can fly off home

[Kacky]

It wont be hard to spot Glennifer, that's fo sho. :p

[The Dying Start]

What is THAT supposed to mean?!!

[Kacky]

You're taaaaallllllllllllllllllllll.

[The Dying Start]

...and UGLYYYYYY.

[Kacky]

Not reallllyyy.

[carrymehomestead]

Bummed about How Do We Know being on the single...I know it's not been "officially" released yet, but I feel like wasting a track space on a single with something that was already released free to everybody as a download is the same "copout" I mentioned earlier...like putting a live version of an already released track or even using the studio version of something that will eventually be on the album (reborn). Why do that when there's plenty of stuff that has remained unheard?

Also, I wonder if there's specific reasons when/why bands choose to release a single EP (4, 5, or more tracks) instead of just a regular single (1-3 tracks). Something like the Roll On EP, to me, is just important as a piece of The Living End's catalogue to hear and own as any of their albums....it's not just a single and some leftovers, it's got its own cohesive nature and an important diversity. It explores a sound that the band were fiddling with for the first time, which never quite made it onto the Roll On album but was dabbled with on later albums...slower, more soulful, (often) acoustic, folky, confessional music...especially considering that this is a time when everyone was still slapping them with the "punkabilly" label (not that people have stopped entirely). Homestead and The Man With No Name are what "Talk Tonight" was for Oasis...proof that the band is capable of penning songs in completely different styles, stripping away the noise and speed and leaving just the beating heart of a great rock and roll band.

When I got that Roll On single/EP in the mail and popped it into my cd player, I was hearing new songs that I still hold dear to my heart as some of my favorite TLE songs ever, an important part of the album that could've just ended up on the cutting room floor, unheard...now isn't that overall a better experience than popping in a new single and thinking "wow, that was a kinda neat live version of that old song" or "hey, now I have How Do We Know on an official single instead of that CD I burned like a month ago from the free download'?

I'm sure this bitchy rant will soon be lost amongst posts about sexy boobies or something, but all that said, I am excited about this Suzy business!

[billygal]

maybe they are saving the unheard material for a longnecks cd????

Just a thought

[mattheal]

that would be cool but i think like someone said they will probably all become b-sides on singles or the japan version of the CD

[The Dying Start]

Bummed about How Do We Know being on the single...I know it's not been "officially" released yet, but I feel like wasting a track space on a single with something that was already released free to everybody as a download is the same "copout" I mentioned earlier...like putting a live version of an already released track or even using the studio version of something that will eventually be on the album (reborn). Why do that when there's plenty of stuff that has remained unheard?

Also, I wonder if there's specific reasons when/why bands choose to release a single EP (4, 5, or more tracks) instead of just a regular single (1-3 tracks). Something like the Roll On EP, to me, is just important as a piece of The Living End's catalogue to hear and own as any of their albums....it's not just a single and some leftovers, it's got its own cohesive nature and an important diversity. It explores a sound that the band were fiddling with for the first time, which never quite made it onto the Roll On album but was dabbled with on later albums...slower, more soulful, (often) acoustic, folky, confessional music...especially considering that this is a time when everyone was still slapping them with the "punkabilly" label (not that people have stopped entirely). Homestead and The Man With No Name are what "Talk Tonight" was for Oasis...proof that the band is capable of penning songs in completely different styles, stripping away the noise and speed and leaving just the beating heart of a great rock and roll band.

When I got that Roll On single/EP in the mail and popped it into my cd player, I was hearing new songs that I still hold dear to my heart as some of my favorite TLE songs ever, an important part of the album that could've just ended up on the cutting room floor, unheard...now isn't that overall a better experience than popping in a new single and thinking "wow, that was a kinda neat live version of that old song" or "hey, now I have How Do We Know on an official single instead of that CD I burned like a month ago from the free download'?

I'm sure this bitchy rant will soon be lost amongst posts about sexy boobies or something, but all that said, I am excited about this Suzy business!

You brought a tear to my eye...and gained 10 extra points for saying "boobies".

[drifta_21]

If parents can't find value in music then i feel quite sad for our society! And for you, in a music-less house!!:(

I'm delayed(meh, who cares) but yeah...they do the whole "Do good in school and become a Doctor/Lawyer/Businessman"

[Sarah]

Bummed about How Do We Know being on the single...I know it's not been "officially" released yet, but I feel like wasting a track space on a single with something that was already released free to everybody as a download is the same "copout" I mentioned earlier...like putting a live version of an already released track or even using the studio version of something that will eventually be on the album (reborn). Why do that when there's plenty of stuff that has remained unheard?

Also, I wonder if there's specific reasons when/why bands choose to release a single EP (4, 5, or more tracks) instead of just a regular single (1-3 tracks). Something like the Roll On EP, to me, is just important as a piece of The Living End's catalogue to hear and own as any of their albums....it's not just a single and some leftovers, it's got its own cohesive nature and an important diversity. It explores a sound that the band were fiddling with for the first time, which never quite made it onto the Roll On album but was dabbled with on later albums...slower, more soulful, (often) acoustic, folky, confessional music...especially considering that this is a time when everyone was still slapping them with the "punkabilly" label (not that people have stopped entirely). Homestead and The Man With No Name are what "Talk Tonight" was for Oasis...proof that the band is capable of penning songs in completely different styles, stripping away the noise and speed and leaving just the beating heart of a great rock and roll band.

When I got that Roll On single/EP in the mail and popped it into my cd player, I was hearing new songs that I still hold dear to my heart as some of my favorite TLE songs ever, an important part of the album that could've just ended up on the cutting room floor, unheard...now isn't that overall a better experience than popping in a new single and thinking "wow, that was a kinda neat live version of that old song" or "hey, now I have How Do We Know on an official single instead of that CD I burned like a month ago from the free download'?

I'm sure this bitchy rant will soon be lost amongst posts about sexy boobies or something, but all that said, I am excited about this Suzy business!

for the most part I agree. I see the b-side spots as an opportunity to experience new TLE, and like you mentioned about Reborn and other versions of previously released songs, I feel with SOE a lot of opportunity for new and different TLE was missed with their choices in songs.

But, from a marketing point of view I think the songs on WN are a pretty good move. Not only do you get White Noise, but you get that other song thats been played on the radio too. I think it will help produce more hype for the album, then hopefully more album sales and *fingers crossed* another #1 album.

And if they chuck HDWK on the first single, we don't have to fear it taking up precious room on future singles :)

[r2jeeves]

I am bummed because White Noise and HDWK are the first two tracks on the album anyway. Its like they've just released the first part of the album. That just seems weird to me.

[Deadcat Kaye]

Just means more surprises for the 2nd single release! :D

[damo0945]

I am bummed because White Noise and HDWK are the first two tracks on the album anyway. Its like they've just released the first part of the album. That just seems weird to me.

seems to be the done thing nowadays... i noticed a few bands did it, NOFX is the only one i can remember though, Never Trust A Hippy (EP) has a couple of songs from Wolves In Wolves Clothing

[carrymehomestead]

I guess putting it out first does get it out of the way...and I understand why they'd want to do it, promotionally. Le sigh...come to think of it, this is pretty much what they did with Modern Artillery (What Would You Do? released first, then One Said, then both of them making it onto the single...at least it was a different version of WWYD, though).

[The Dying Start]

I'm delayed(meh, who cares) but yeah...they do the whole "Do good in school and become a Doctor/Lawyer/Businessman"

Witchdoctor / Mr Businessman.

[Thommo]

when can we expect the White noise VID?

[Colezy]

I'm guessing sometime during the next few weeks on Rage. Cos its release is only 2 weeks away.

[Thommo]

hrmm also i know the boys will be in ralph very shortly.

A girl i study with assisted a photog in sydney who did the shoot.

[Matt]

Do we get to see chris' "sexy boobies". (Refering to earlier post..)

[BennyD]

oh boy!!!!!!!!!

[Colezy]

As long as they dont look like Mr Setzers boobies, it's all good :p

[AlinaPOW]

I'm kinda hopeful of November being a b-side, I think it was mentioned in Rolling Stone as being recorded so fingers crossed. It was definitely one of my favourites so I can only hope!

woah forgot all about that one, yeah that'd be good too... very catchy, infact i have the chorus stuck in my head right now!

Woop, stop the presses - I found the White Noise single tracklisting. I was right!

http://chaos.com/product/white_noise_2214494_4780.html

http://chaos.com/coverscan/2215000/2214494.jpg

1. White Noise
2. How Do We Know
3. Listen Up Suzy

Looks like we're getting Suzy! I've never heard it, very excited.

Hell yeah, Suzy!! SUH-WEET.

And can't be bothered going back to "multiquote" Glennster but a resounding *face palm* to you sir, that was great :D

[AlinaPOW]

As long as they dont look like Mr Setzers boobies, it's all good :p

hahahaha amen to that! long live the Brian Setzer man boobs, can't wait to see 'em live!! :p

[Colezy]

lol, "live man boobies" :p