Guitarist's Corner

[Adam]

Finally, it's back.

So has anyone made any purchases during the "break" ??
Myself, I've started on my guitar project (i purchased Gretsch Filtertrons and a Les Paul style neck with the spicks n specks)

oh yeah, my Geography teahcer purchased the Orange Gretsch Nashville i wanted so badly, but good news is that he'll let me maybe play it one day! :cool:

Anyway, great to be back in the Muso's Section.

[Sammas]

Nothing much lately... Ordered an Egnater M4 back in May, should be ready any week now if they are running on time. Other than that just makin' music. :)

[Kevin]

was recording some bits and pieces today, i need a better mic though

[Jessii]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/troublebob/20051024.gif

[WHITE FALCON]

mee and my mate recorded Who's Gonna save us today!

sound fairly good. we did the acoustic version and did the hard chorus harmony!

=D

[Marv From NZ]

Havn't been fully into my Guitar playing for awhile now. Should get back to it, before i lose my rhythm.

[Sammas]

was recording some bits and pieces today, i need a better mic though

mee and my mate recorded Who's Gonna save us today!

sound fairly good. we did the acoustic version and did the hard chorus harmony!

=D



You know you can't say that without posting clips, right :)

[Kevin]

You know you can't say that without posting clips, right :)

argh curse my post whoring

here's a song i'm teaching a little kid, it's a two part so we can jam together, i recorded it at this speed, then a version slower, and then also just put the bass line of the slow version on the cd too so he could practise at home.
anyway...
http://users.on.net/~trcooper/music/fast.mp3

dinner time now, i may put up some fancy songs later

[dirty man]

well i got my 1st guitar, a washburn X-series quilt

[Jodez]

i need to save up for a new guitar. i got my first electric back in march, unknowinly get ripped off from a place in footscray. i knew it was second hand and everything and i didnt know anything about guitatrs. then after a while a string broke. i took it to another place and they were like how much did u pay for this and i was like $120 and they were like well they r only like worth $50 and they have stopped making them years ago. Its was old. Its a Magnum. So yea, i was highly pissed off about that. $120 that i could have put towards a new guitar. And another string is broken. *sigh* sorry for crapping on. But yeah, any advice on a good sounding new guitar thats cheap that you know of?

[mel_bound]

I'm looking for a nice acoustic, steel string. I fell in love with the Maton m225c, so i'm gonna see what I can do to aquire me one, screw the gretsch, I want this beautiful baby!
http://www.maton.com.au/acoustics/images/EM225Cnew.jpg
sans pickup. I don't want it and it's heaps more expensive! Although, the pick-up-less one has black binding. I want cream binding, the black looks terrible in my opinion.. oh I hope they actually make my dream guitar!

[Jawn]

you can get better matons :P

[mel_bound]

dang. But I really like it, what others would you suggest? :)

[Jawn]

I told you in the other thread :P

Maton EBG808CLG- Performer Series.

A lot more expensive, but it will be your guitar for life.

[mel_bound]

yeah I wasn't paying attention in the other thread :p
I really *really* love the m225c. But I'll check this model out tomorrow... the joys of working in a music shop :D

[Julia]

I recently bought a 100w Fender FM, and a little Zoom effects unit. I got both of them together for a little over $800, and they've been really great so far. I can finally play gigs without having to borrow school equipment. For a fairly inexpensive amp, the Fender has a marvelous clean tone, and the little effects unit can produce some great distortions. Haha, I feel like I've finally got all the equipment I need to function, an electric, a steel string acoustic, a classical, an amp and an effects unit. It's only taken 10 years. :p

[Huey]

i need to save up for a new guitar. i got my first electric back in march, unknowinly get ripped off from a place in footscray. i knew it was second hand and everything and i didnt know anything about guitatrs. then after a while a string broke. i took it to another place and they were like how much did u pay for this and i was like $120 and they were like well they r only like worth $50 and they have stopped making them years ago. Its was old. Its a Magnum. So yea, i was highly pissed off about that. $120 that i could have put towards a new guitar. And another string is broken. *sigh* sorry for crapping on. But yeah, any advice on a good sounding new guitar thats cheap that you know of?

What store in Footscray?
I got mine at Troys, but I know the other tiny store there. When I went shopping there, the guy seemed like a real desperate salesman. Creeped me out.

My guitar is something like a squire malibu strat? Is that right? I don't even know. Just something to learn on. I'll decide soon if I want to invest more in guitar-ing.

[Fritz]

I've got a Maton 325 and a 225. I use them both usually two gigs a week.
They're not the best playing guitar at all but acoustically they sound really awesome, and great sounding when plugged in. Most of all they are a working musicians guitar, the number of regular working guys in australia that use matons deffinatly out weigh most other brands... A real work horse thats for sure. Thats why I got them, im not an acoustic guy at all but I just needed some guitars that can be played hard night after night and keep going

[Jawn]

Is the 225 the cheapest model that goes for around a grand or less? I may be getting my models confused. Because I tried one and thought it was a horrible sounding acoustic in the store.

[_jimmy_]

what kind of acoustic does chris use in the SOE dvd?

[mel_bound]

mostly I've seen him use Cole Clarks before, I heard all about that company at my time at the guitar shop.. haha the owner's a jerk :p

[Julia]

I'm fairly sure I've seen him using a Maton before.

[mel_bound]

yeah he has, I think he was on their site or something once... but recently I've seen him using a Cole Clark. :)

[Julia]

Cool beans. I like Matons, I always argue with my music teacher about guitar brands. He's a "Takamine" fan. Stupid country bumpkin music teacher... not that I don't like country music. :p

[Jodez]

What store in Footscray?
I got mine at Troys, but I know the other tiny store there. When I went shopping there, the guy seemed like a real desperate salesman. Creeped me out.

My guitar is something like a squire malibu strat? Is that right? I don't even know. Just something to learn on. I'll decide soon if I want to invest more in guitar-ing.

Yep it was from Troys house of music. i didnt like it there. Thats why when my string broke i went to the other one. the guy that served me at troys was an ass and jerk and he even said to me when i was paying for the guitar "oh thats pretty good for a magnum"...fucking asshole.

[_jimmy_]

Hey, its footscray my old home suburb. my frends uncle owns a music store in footscray called Davis Music centre, very nice range of acoustics.

[Jawn]

Yep it was from Troys house of music. i didnt like it there. Thats why when my string broke i went to the other one. the guy that served me at troys was an ass and jerk and he even said to me when i was paying for the guitar "oh thats pretty good for a magnum"...fucking asshole.

You do realise that strings break on guitars all the time right? Its not the guitar's fault.

[Adam]

howabout you buy a Gibson ES 355 and name it Lucille

[_jimmy_]

and tell her its her fault and she'll break strings all the time

[WHITE FALCON]

You know you can't say that without posting clips, right :)

ok i will! how do you do it again?

[Colezy]

Once you've got the clip on the computer go to a site like:
www.megaupload.com
www.yousendit.com
www.sendspace.com
and then upload it and copy the link onto here :)

[WHITE FALCON]

okay! its doing it should be up in like 15 mins! care to stick around?

[Colezy]

Possibly! If not, i'll be sure to check it out sometime tomorrow!

[WHITE FALCON]

here it is!

there is like one thing u might be able to hear, in the last vocal harmony's.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PMXNTYH5

tell me what you think pleasee!

oh and just so u know we did this all with a stock sound card in a computer and Cool edit :D

[Kevin]

sounds pretty cool

i use adobe audition when recording stuff, it's pretty easy to use, what's cool edit like?

[Sammas]

here it is!

there is like one thing u might be able to hear, in the last vocal harmony's.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PMXNTYH5

tell me what you think pleasee!

oh and just so u know we did this all with a stock sound card in a computer and Cool edit :D

I can dig it, ain't nothing wrong with that! :)


Looks like you tried to match the audio levels of TLE's recording? Hard to do, particularly without using compression or limiting. Digital audio cannot exist above 0dB, anything above that simply gets cut off. This is called hard clipping, which is a much more abrupt and unmusical type of distortion. It has a grainy, "digital" sound. What a terrible way to describe it :rolleyes:

In your recording it clips quite a lot. This can happen at two stages, when you are recording your tracks it is a good idea to keep an eye on the input audio levels. If you play or sing and the meters pass 0dB within Cool Edit it will clip your recording. This is probably the worst, because there is no way to fix it other than re-record the track. Aim to have your tracks peak at around -12dB, this will give you enough headroom to prevent clipping the audio yet provide you with enough volume to maintain audio resolution.

The second is when mixing, this can happen within plugins or at the master fader. You want to keep everything below the 0dB mark. Once you get all your levels right, check the master fader. If it does into the red (0dB or above) if will clip your final mixed down audio file. If it goes into the red, pull the fader down till it stops clipping. You will have to watch it through the entire piece of music to check and see if it clips. Just for reference, with 16bit audio the VU meters start at -96dB at the bottom and go all the way up to +3dB in most cases. When at 24bit it starts at -144dB and goes to +3dB as well.

Since nothing can exist above 0dB, whether it be on an ipod or the state of the art software used in a million dollar studio, compression and limiting are used to bring up the audio levels without going over 0dB. Thats a whole other ball game though. It has the potential to ruin a recording even more than digital clipping because it affects the dynamics of the music.

[Jodez]

You do realise that strings break on guitars all the time right? Its not the guitar's fault.

I know its not, even tho (Jimmy that shop is the best, and its where i went to get it fixed) the guy from the other store said these strings are way old. But its the fact they ripped me off...ASSHOLES! thats y i never intend on going back to that store

[AlinaPOW]

I've replaced strings on my other guitar plenty of times but that's an acoustic, but the time has finally come to replace a string on Zero, my strat. Anyone feel like helping? I haven't got a clue past taking off the white plate at the back and don't wanna screw anything up...

[mel_bound]

Zero's a squier strat right? You shoudn't have to unscrew the white plate thingy, you just need to loosen the strings and slip them out through the 6 holes next to the white plate, and then to re-string it, you just need to slide them back though and up to the machine heads and tighten them and stuff. Or if you wanna watch how to do it your local music shop should be able to do it for you for a small fee... unless you bought the guitar from my local shop who have a free lifetime labour deal :D

[AlinaPOW]

That's a pretty sweet deal! I haven't had to get my bass restrung in over a year, just aswell too, last time i did it cost $50. I hate how much bass strings cost!
Oooooh god. I'm confused. *sigh* guess i'll just have to bite the bullet and take Zero to a shop. He has new stickers now :)
You've got a strat don't you Mel? Maybe i should just trek to Bayswater and get you to show me :P

[mel_bound]

yes I do have a strat, it's a piece of crap :p

wait a minute, sorry, the 6 holes are in the white plate, but you don't have to unscrew the plate, you just have to loosen the strings and they should just slide out :)

[Julia]

Haha, I know a bass player who has had the same strings for 8 years, and he still maintains that they don't need changing. Changing strings on a Strat is easy as pie, as Mel said, just shove them through the six holes on the back and the rest will be pretty self explanatory. :)

[Kevin]

changing strings on a strat is easy, unless it's a string broken near the bridge, where the little ring is wedged into one of the holes, then it's a bitch to get the thing out.

[AlinaPOW]

Okay, thankyou thankyou.
Yay Zombie Ghost Train! Legends. I want to marry Stu's Brian Setzer Hot Rod. Infact...
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/llama_on_film/StusGretsch.jpg

Heh heh, i look like a spazz in that photo but hey, we're focusing on the geetar!

[Kevin]

hottt!

you're not bad either, but that guitar... mmmmmmm

[Sammas]

hottt!

you're not bad either, but that guitar... mmmmmmm

:D


I wonder if she realises there is something stuck to her cheeks. :D

[Fritz]

ive actually played that exact guitar before ZGT got too big egos and i got over talking to wankers . im sure their alright with fans but if your a fellow musician or trying to do business in the scene then forget it. Anyway i've got 3 of those hotrod models. I play one of em quite regularly in my band these days. Great guitar..

[Kevin]

i have a new recording i just did, it is really dodgy and i'm not happy with it at all, but i'm funny like that.
/lifestory

anyway, chet atkins/jerry reed - jerry's breakdown intro into the mystery train theme before e-boogie.
http://users.on.net/~trcooper/music/chetatkinsintro.mp3 700kB

[WHITE FALCON]

wow you've got some skills in the rockabilly playin there!

what did u record with? aka guitar aka program?

[Kevin]

it was my gretsch electromatic, with adobe audition, through my h&k 100w amp, then through a really shitty microphone i got cause some primary school was throwing it out, and a eurorack mx802a mixer, which is probably 20 years old

this should probably go in that equipment thread

i'll try and record it again tomorrow, cause after playing that stuff over and over again my fingers start to get tired and sore.

[WHITE FALCON]

hughes and ketner?

why did it sound sooo tiny.

oi are the electromatics any good?

[Kevin]

the electromatics are alright, if i knew i could get some better second hand gretsches for $500-$1000 more i might have, but i don't need a real expensive electric cause i hardly ever use it.

it sounds tinny cause of using a shitty mic and the pc sound card would probably have an effect, but i think it's mainly the mic. unless you meant tiny, in that i had the volume down low.
what i was playing sounded alright coming out of the amp, but then listening to the recording and it's just crap.

any suggestions on a decent mic anyone?

[Sammas]

SM-57 is cheap and pretty much the staple for mic'ing guitar amps on stage and in the studio. Mic position is everything. Closer to the center of the speaker cone the brighter it will be. If you have a mic with a directional pickup pattern (like an SM-57 which is has a cardio pickup pattern) it will also suffer from proximity effect. This means the closer the mic is to the sound source, the more pronouced the low frequencies will be. Angling the mic will reduce the proximity effect.

[Kevin]

cool, i've heard of those before, i'll look into getting one.
it does handle acoustic instruments well too?

[WHITE FALCON]

man i used a kareoke mic for the recording i did for the voice in mine. how much do SM57 retail at. SM58 are the best for vocal, SM57 are best for micing up amps and micing up acoustics and stuff. sorry to repeat lol

[Sammas]

cool, i've heard of those before, i'll look into getting one.
it does handle acoustic instruments well too?

It won't be the best, but it certianly isn't the worst. A lot of early motown recordings were down exclusively with 545's (SM-57 predecessor) and they are some of the best sounding recordings ever made.

It depends how much you want to spend, though. A Condenser would be a more flexible micophone if you only intend on buying one. Something like a Studio Projects B1 or B3 maybe. If you budget it more it only gets better from here, though.

[WHITE FALCON]

retail. price. sm58. sm57. no. yes. ok cool :D

[Kevin]

sm57 is looking like around $200, there's a few on ebay for around $150, i'll check at work on saturday if i can order one in and how cheap it would be.

[Sammas]

At allans you are looking at just under $160 for a 57 & $200 for a 58. Any more than that and you are getting ripped off.

A 58 is essentially a 57 with a pop shield. Unless you actually are using it for stage work you may as well get a 57 and improvise a pop shield... like by squeezing a coat hanger into a stocking leg and sing through that.

[_jimmy_]

hey Kev, could you perhaps post up the tabs you have for mystery train?
if not than does anyone know any tabs sites that have any Chet atkins or Django Reinhardt"s tabs?

[Kevin]

i'll write up the mystery train bits tomorrow, it's not hard. i do some fancy tremelo stuff in what i played above, that's just something i added to break it up a bit

[_jimmy_]

sounds hard but yeah thanks kev

[Kevin]

here's what i was playing in the second half of that clip, if you want to play the first half, it's the beginning of jerry's breakdown by chet atkins and jerry reed

------------------------------
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---0h1-1----0h1-1-------------
---2---2----2---2------------- X2
---2--------2-----------------
-0--------0-------------------

-----------------------------------------
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---4-4---------2p1p0-1------------------- X2
-----------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------
---0-0-0-0-0-0-0---0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0---


-----------0-----0-----------0-----0------
-----2-------2h3-------2-------2h3--------
-------2-----------------2----------------
---------2-----------------2--------------
---0---------------0--0---------------0---
------------------------------------------

------------------------------
------------------------------
---0h1-1----0h1-1-------------
---2---2----2---2------------- X2
---2--------2-----------------
-0--------0-------------------

---2-2-2---2-2-2---2-2-2---2-2-2---2-2-2---2-2-2---2-2-2---2-2-2----
---------------------------------0----------------------------------
-----------------2-------------------------------2------------------
---------1---------------1---------------1---------------1----------
-2------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------------------

---0-0-0---0-0-0---0-0-0---0-0-0-----------------------------
-------------------------------------2-----2-----2-----2-----
-----------------2---------------1h2---1h2---1h2---1h2-------
---------2---------------2-----------------------------------
-0-----------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------------------


--------------------0-----7---------11----12---4--4--4------------
--------------------0-----7----9----10----9----5--5--5------------
---0h1-1----0h1-1---1-----8----9----11----9----4--4--4------------
---2---2----2---2---2-----9----9----9-----9----6--6--6------------
---2--------2-------2-----9----7----------11---7--7--7------------
-0--------0---------0-----7---------------0----0--0--0------------

[_jimmy_]

thanks. looks fun to play too

[WHITE FALCON]

BACK FROM THE DEAD
oh well 2000 posts woohoo.
guitarist corner ehh
i like it :)

OHHh im trapped now
"DONT LOOK NOW SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TRAPPED SOMEHOW,
I DUNNO IF I'LL EVER MAKE IT OUT OF HERE ALIVEE"

[b_urself]

im pretty sure the whole of musicians corner is the guitarist's corner

[mattheal]

very true, we dont have any of those "other" types here, well if we do they hide them selves well :p

[WHITE FALCON]

im pretty sure the whole of musicians corner is the guitarist's corner

im prety sure this was like one of the first threads ever invented in muso's corner
imagine if we didnt have all these offthrow threads in muso's corner
i think people should start to use this thread from now on
saves teh forum from killing its self again

[b_urself]

very true, we dont have any of those "other" types here, well if we do they hide them selves well :p

i'll never be a concert flautist

[Matt]

So you think maybe you'll be a prostitute,
Just to pay for your lessons, you're learning the flute,
The ladies won't pay you very much for this

"looks like you'll never be a concert flautist"





FOTC = uber rad.

[Gretsch_WF_08]

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk179/Mapleleafs008/livingend.jpg

this looks interesting

[mattheal]

SHHH!!! :p

[WHITE FALCON]

this is fairly nice tone!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFGJgPtaRYU&feature=related