Drummers

[Neo]

Well the others have their threads, so why not us!!

Yay.

Ok to start, how are we all? good? that's awesome.

So, how many Drummers have we got here?

[graverobbin'bastard]

you already know I exsist, hmm maybe we can keep two threads going and out do them other musicians?

[Neo]

you already know I exsist, hmm maybe we can keep two threads going and out do them other musicians? Maybe one can be where we talk about gear, different styles of drumming and our favourite drummers etc. and the other can be for introductions or something? haha I don't know :p

[Kacky]

I'm not really one...but my guitar teacher taught be a few simple things on his drums.

[dark_realm]

hey hey, i am a drummer here, been playing for about 5 years, and i hate 14 inch toms... dont know why, just do.... anywho...

[graverobbin'bastard]

hey hey, i am a drummer here, been playing for about 5 years, and i hate 14 inch toms... dont know why, just do.... anywho...

I hates me some small toms, fuckin' piss me off with their little high pitch thud. I like a real low thud from my toms. Now you shall all marvel at my lack of knowledge with the technical side of drums.

[Neo]

I love the sound of 14x5 aluminium snares. I have one and it sounds amazing when it's in tune *drools*.

[graverobbin'bastard]

to be honest the kit I have now I don't even know the size of my snare bahaha, it's a cheap fuckin' kit though. My old kit had a real purdy old gretsch bass drum with wood rims and stuff. It was nice and deep too so it sounded purdy

[Shadow]

I'm a drummer, but you wouldn't catch me knowing what the hell the measurements are on my toms and whatnot. I bought my kit off eBay (Yep, little e, big B) - It's a ProMax (lol...) but it's good for now... I wanna get a TAMA Swingstar or an electronic kit for my next one, so I can move it around (if I go electronic - and I can do the Short Notice intro :p), and so I have a better sound if I go the Swingstar. Right now the snare's the only good sounding thing about it, but fair enough... I've tried tuning the toms and all that jazz but... nothin'.

Cymbals:

20" Ride
16" Crash
14" Hi-Hats

I guess everything else on my kit is stock, except I got a replacement beater for the bass pedal, since the other one SNAPPED OFF WHILE I WAS DRUMMING. It just cracked and flew into my shin... the one I have now's really good, but I still reckon the kit's dodgy.

[graverobbin'bastard]

nothing wrong with cheap kits man as long as you like the sound. Also I will never ever buy an electric kit I hate them things! haha, my kit is really cheap I don't even know what fucking kind it is. But all the drum heads aren't bad and I have so-so cymbals (sabian B8's) so it sounds ok all together

[-Gail-]

Im about to start playing the drums myself.

[graverobbin'bastard]

Im about to start playing the drums myself.

You won't be disappointed, it's one of the best things if you ask me. I go crazy when I don't get to play much such as now, man it's ben ages stupid tiny apartment with no room for my drums

[*M!]

all the drummers i know are psychotic :p

fair enough - they feel the need to hit things constantly, repeatedly, quickly...

in saying all that i totally lub drummers in general and desperately want to get myself a kit so that i can have a bash but alas, i don't think it's going to happen! :(

*M!

[hillaas]

I am not much of a drummer but i play drums in a band that me n my friends made up. I'm no star but i can keep in time :P

[deano1337]

woops im a bit late!
im a drummer! have been for bout 6 years! got my fucking insane new kit 2 weeks ago! ill post some pictures if anyone wants to see
i got a 12x9 tom
16x16 floor
16x18 floor 18x16, i dono how ya say it
14x5.5 snare
:):):):)

[graverobbin'bastard]

yeah lets see the pics, I'd post some of mine but umm it's really nothing fancy at all. plus I only have a few photos of me playing them which don't show you the kit hah. I need to get some drum head deadeners and cymbal deadeners so i can play in the apartment or something. Fuck i miss my kit! I'm supposed to be recording a few cover songs with some friends of mine at their home studio just for the hell of it. That'd be fun

[deano1337]

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6632/drums1gs7.th.jpg (http://img83.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drums1gs7.jpg)
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/6817/drums2vr7.th.jpg (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drums2vr7.jpg)
da dum :)

[WHITE FALCON]

niceeee. been doing some recording?

[deano1337]

yea! my bro records shit so we were seeing how it sounded ;)

[WHITE FALCON]

awesome. got any clips/mp3's?

[deano1337]

not yet. but i hope soon :)

[graverobbin'bastard]

nice kit, now it just might be my shite vision but do you have two floor toms?

[deano1337]

yeap i do. :)

[graverobbin'bastard]

yeap i do. :)

interesting I've never played a kit like that. How do you like it? Do you find it very different sound wise?

[graverobbin'bastard]

how do you folks feel about double bass pedals? I don't like 'em, most things that can be done with them that sound good i think can be done with a single pedal.

[deano1337]

yea i reallly like it!! i mean i love it :D its helll beter then my last kit.

i dont use double kick! i wanted one but you just dont need it. does andy use one?

[mel_bound]

does andy use one?
Nah he doesn't, he also said something along the lines of "and I never will".

[deano1337]

hahah good! dont want it turning into shit death music

[graverobbin'bastard]

Nah he doesn't, he also said something along the lines of "and I never will".

haha good I hates them things

[graverobbin'bastard]

yea i reallly like it!! i mean i love it :D its helll beter then my last kit.

i dont use double kick! i wanted one but you just dont need it. does andy use one?

cool, do you have both of the floor toms tuned pretty low so they have a deep sound or is there a big difference in the tones?

[deano1337]

yea! its kinda like dum and dom :)

[Shadow]

Whoops, I posted in the other thread ages ago but this appears to be the main one now...

I'm a drummer... have been since about May last year. Like playing TLE stuff, 'specially Roll On material. It's fun to play.

[Neo]

how do you folks feel about double bass pedals? I don't like 'em, most things that can be done with them that sound good i think can be done with a single pedal.
I'm a bit of a metal head, so of course I like double kicks :p and I prefer them over a single pedal when playing metal because my leg starts to get sore after a couple of songs hehe I'm too weak. I don't currently own a pair but Grumma said he'd send his current one over my way when he gets his new ones... ha

[madirishman]

Ludwig is the best I think

[graverobbin'bastard]

I'm a bit of a metal head, so of course I like double kicks :p and I prefer them over a single pedal when playing metal because my leg starts to get sore after a couple of songs hehe I'm too weak. I don't currently own a pair but Grumma said he'd send his current one over my way when he gets his new ones... ha

I listen to very little music with a double kick. Mostly I hate hearing it but the motorhead album sacrifice is pretty dang good and there's double kick in that. I just hate the way it sounds for the most part. I understand liking metal might make someone feel different though heh

[deano1337]

i have a DW 5000 kick pedal ;) its AWSOME

[graverobbin'bastard]

just out of curisoity what aspects of drumming do you guys feel you personally need to work on? For me it's my snare work although I've gotten wayy better in the past year or two beacuse I actually did more snare work with my last band. The old punk band aside from rolls I didn't do much haha.

[*M!]

my brother wants to learn how to Drum - i think he's been listening to too much beatles and has a bit of a man crush on Ringo (that plus he's still a bit of a thomas the tank engine fan - as am i, i must admit!)

what's a good price to pay for a starter kit and what are the absolute necessities?

*M!

[graverobbin'bastard]

I can't help you much with price cause the canadian dollar is different but as far as the kit goes. I find a pretty standard kit would have a bass drum obviously snare, floor tom, two toms. For cymbals a hihat and ride and one crash would be pretty basic or if you really wanna start out basic a crash/ride you can use as both doesn't sound the greatest but no big deal.

[graverobbin'bastard]

is he pretty young? You might even be able to find a small kit for him that would be cheaper

[*M!]

he's about to turn 12...

he's about as tall as i am... not that this means much (i'm a little tacker - 5'1") but yeah...

i don't know...

thanks for the ideas - i shall have a scout around...

*M!

[graverobbin'bastard]

he'd probably need a full size kit then I'd reckon. Just look in the paper for a used kit that's what I do! I've saved hundreds of dollars that way cause I'm a poor bastard hah

[deano1337]

just get a dodgy off ebay!

or to be safe.. a garage sale;)

[graverobbin'bastard]

brushes. what do you guys htink of em? I've only played with them a few times. It's alright but i prefer to make a lot of noise when drumming haha

[deano1337]

yea! i dont think brushes are good for rock. id use hotrods. but brushes have a different style! more like jass or quiet music

[graverobbin'bastard]

yea! i dont think brushes are good for rock. id use hotrods. but brushes have a different style! more like jass or quiet music

agreed. when I was younger I used to call em the hairy sticks hahaha. I might use em now though if a band I was in had any quiet enough songs

[graverobbin'bastard]

this is the lamest thing I could possibly ask but I wanna know how you oflk spin the sticks in your hand if you do hahahaha. I just wanna learn some flashy shit

[Erin]

the only thing i can do is spin pens around my fingers :p

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Ive been playing since I was 15 (17 now) i think but Im a bit of a bum and dont practise too much

My favourite drummers include:
Danny Carey (TOOL)
Brad Wilk (RAGM/Audioslave)
Travis Smith (Trivium)
Thomas Haake (Meshuggah)
Paul Bostaph (Slayer on God Hates Us All)
Nicko McBrain (Iron Maiden)
John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)
Dave Mackintosh (DragonForce)

[Neo]

this is the lamest thing I could possibly ask but I wanna know how you oflk spin the sticks in your hand if you do hahahaha. I just wanna learn some flashy shit People say I do it weirdly haha everyone I know who does it, does it between their middle fingers going backwards but I do it between my pointer and middle fingers going forwards if that makes sense. I cant do it with a pen though :(

oh and hello grumma! can I still call you that?

[TheMispentYouthx]

hey.
im fourteen,
i've been drumming for about 4 months now.
i suck at it,
but i love it
&& can't wait to get better.

[order.of.the.day]

don't worry Alex...you will get better..but It will take time...not having a drum kit at home makes it harder

[KillingInTheNameOf]

i have a DW 5000 kick pedal ;) its AWSOME

I broke my friends DW 5000 playing :p

[KillingInTheNameOf]

oh and hello grumma! can I still call you that?

haha yeah; just happened to be listening to that song when I created my account :D

[deano1337]

I broke my friends DW 5000 playing :p

HAHA he would not have been happy lol :D they cost like $500 and doubles are like $900

[KillingInTheNameOf]

nah he bought it for $5 at a Billy Hyde sale :p

Theyre not that good anyway.

Far too flimsy (as I proved lol)

[WHITE FALCON]

anyone good at tabbing?

[_jimmy_]

so you did run to the drummers thread.

[WHITE FALCON]

haha yeah man i told you i would

[_jimmy_]

alright to find a good drummer we should ask them to tab out the rolls in the LLTW presolo.

[WHITE FALCON]

hmmm i dont have music handy with me so im not quite sure what your talking about :p

is it the part where they are like "week in week out" do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do "week in week out"

[mel_bound]

I'm playing drums in the school band now... I'm loving it! I want a kit
yeah I just thought i'd let all the drummers here know :p

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Cos that really helps Mr White Falcom/Jimmy :p

[mel_bound]

yeah sorry :p

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Haha I might be able to help.

Are the rolls on the snare or toms?

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Hmm a little advice/help:

For a simple tom beat, what do you reckon I could add on to these bars;
T1 |o-----o---------|o-----oo--------|oo----------o-----
T2 |--oo----o-o-----|--o-----oo--oo--|--oo--o--o----oo--
T3 |----oo------oooo|----o-----oo----|----oo----o-----o-
BD |----------------|--------------o-|------------------
___|1e+a2e+a3e+a4e+a|1e+a2e+a3e+a4e+a|1 + a 2e+a3e+a4e+a

[KillingInTheNameOf]

I got bored so I tabbed out the entire intro:

CC |X---------------|X---------------|X---------------|
HH |-xxxXxxxXxxxXxxx|-xxxXxxxXxxxXxxx|-xxxXxxxXxxxXxxx|
BD |o---------------|o---------------|o---------------|

CC |X-X-X-------X-X-|X---------------|--------XXX-----|
T1 |----------------|------------o---|----------------|
T2 |----------------|----------------|o---------------|
T3 |----------------|----------------|----o-----------|
HH |-x-x-xxxXxxx-x-x|-xxxXxxxXxxx-xxx|-xxx-xxx--------|
BD |o-o-o---o---o-o-|o---------------|--------ooo-----|

T1 |o-----o---------|o-----oo--------|oo----------o-----|
T2 |--oo----o-o-----|--o-----oo--oo--|--oo--o--o----oo--|
T3 |----oo------oooo|----o-----oo----|----oo----o-----o-|
BD |----------------|--------------o-|------------------|
___|1e+a2e+a3e+a4e+a|1e+a2e+a3e+a4e+a|1 + a 2e+a3e+a4e+a|

CC |X---------------|-------X----------|X---------------|
Sp |--------x-------|------------------|----------------|
HH |----------x-x-x-|----x-------------|--x-x-x-x-x-x-x-|
SD |----oooo----o---|-F--o--o--------F-|----o-------o---|
BD |o-------o-------|o--o--o-----------|o-------o-o-----|
____________________|1 + a 2 +a3e+a4e+a|

[WHITE FALCON]

Cos that really helps Mr White Falcom/Jimmy :p

hahahah niceee:p

good tabs not that i can read them!

if you ever get bored again try tabbing the whole song!

woot your a champ!

[KillingInTheNameOf]

lol they arent the tabs you were after :p

haha if youve already shown your drummer he's gonna love you

[_Jason_]

hello people. a new drummer has entered the room

[_Jason_]

hello peoples i also have a stock kit its alright but i wanna save up the cash for some zxt cymbals and remo heads

[WHITE FALCON]

lol they arent the tabs you were after :p

haha if youve already shown your drummer he's gonna love you

hahaha my bad lol

i dunno im glad people are tabbing drums but, because seriously there arent that many drum tabs for TLE songs.

[deano1337]

just improvise and hope you get it :)

[KillingInTheNameOf]

hahaha my bad lol

i dunno im glad people are tabbing drums but, because seriously there arent that many drum tabs for TLE songs.

Thats because theyre all pretty basic
Andy and Trav are solid drummers but theyre nothing flashy

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Haha this a kind of a bump but anyway;

Ive discovered that in the last month Ive gotten shitloads better; it's great ^_^

[Neo]

The end of one of my drimsticks fell off a few days aftre O bought them, like it didn;t vreak, it just fell off :eek: stupid cheap [iece of crap. :rolleyes:

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Wood or Nylon tip?

[Neo]

Wood or Nylon tip?

wood. which was what made it odd.

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Hmm that is rather odd . ..

Ah well

My Vic Firth 5Bs seem to be holding up pretty well ^_^

[KillingInTheNameOf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf9VSMqSRsc

[_jimmy_]

anyone now if andy has his own signature sticks? i also find guitar tabs alot easier than drum tabs, jason (my drummer from a few pages back) makes reading it look easy.

[Colezy]

You can get sticks signed by Andy..well a computer generated signature anyway! Find them here (http://www.thelivingend.com.au/onlinestore/products.php?cat=8&pg=2), near the bottom. :)

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Yes they would be signature sticks

It's the drummers customised/sponsored pair; not just any old pair with a signature on it Colezy :p

[Colezy]

Haha, yeah I know that! Some people have thought that they were ALL INDIVIDUALLY SIGNED! :p

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Haha.

Eventually the signature wears off anyway either by hitting cymbals or by sweat :p

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Hmm Ok done some hunting around and hopefully I'll be playing this kit within the next 2 years:

A White Tama Superstar kit including:

2 18x20 Bass Drums
1 14x20 Gong Bass
1 16x18 Floor Tom
1 13x16 Rack Tom
1 11x14 Rack Tom
1 10x13 Rack Tom
1 of these http://www.tamadrum.co.jp/WarlordCollection/Line-up/images/KSS146-IMG.jpg

Then Sabian AAX cymbals:
1 pair 14" Metal Hats
1 pair 13" Fusion Hats
2 18" AAXplosion crashes
1 20" Dry Ride
1 19" AAXtreme China
1 12" Metal Splash


With Iron Cobra pedals :cool:

[Julian]

What does that all add up to $ wise Grumma?

[hillaas]

THAT ^ would be cool!

[KillingInTheNameOf]

What does that all add up to $ wise Grumma?

Ummm I dont know :p

Quite a lot I'd suggest

The Iron Cobras will sum to almost one thousand
The cymbals at least that lol

[hillaas]

Start saving!

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Haha after I buy my car :p

[hillaas]

You live an expensive lifestyle Mr. Grumma!

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Haha yeah well, what can I say? :p

[KillingInTheNameOf]

.
Then Sabian AAX cymbals:
1 pair 14" Metal Hats $725rrp
1 pair 13" Fusion Hats
2 18" AAXplosion crashes - $525rrp ea
1 20" Dry Ride - $625rrp
1 19" AAXtreme China
1 12" Metal Splash - $245rrp

And if I want I could buy Joey Jordison's custom snare for $425 from Billy Hyde :)

[hillaas]

Just if you wanted...

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Haha.

Nah it'd be alright cos I like the sound of his snare.
The snare drum in my first post is pretty much the Tama equivalent of Joey's

[KillingInTheNameOf]

woo found a white Tama kit ^_^

well actually Ive always had the picture, it just kinda slipped my mind lol:

http://myspace-507.vo.llnwd.net/01395/70/53/1395733507_l.jpg

[hillaas]

Oh. I wonder where you found that.






Trivium tryhard.

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Roadrunner United website :)

[hillaas]

Man. That would actually be pretty good.

But this would also be ok:
http://www.record-producer.com/i/big-drum-set.jpg

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Wooo Yeah . . .

Tripod!

[WHITE FALCON]

eff yeah!

keith moon!

i dont think he has engough tomage :p

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2393/who3iw9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Colezy]

My friend just told me that she got to go on stage and drum for Lior the other day. 'Cause you know, he's so well known for drumming and all. :rolleyes:

Yeah. That's my input for the Drummers thread. :)

[mel_bound]

nice!

I have a question for someone who's totally awesome at drum-spotting...

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/6138/snareiscoolmd8.jpg

Andy's snare at the '03 BDO, I'd assume it's a pearl 14"x6.5" but it's not a brass sensitone that things say he uses.. I just love the tone of it and I'd love to know...

WHAT IS IT?!

I'd probably only ever have it as a useless piece of information, but I still wanna know. Thanks :p

[KillingInTheNameOf]

How do you know it isnt a whats-it brass thingy :p

eff yeah!

keith moon!

i dont think he has engough tomage :p

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2393/who3iw9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


http://www.chris-watson.com/gear_gallery/gear_gallery1/images/Mike%20Portnoy,%20Dream%20Theater_his%20kit!%20In% 20here%20only%20because%20it%20makes%20me%20smile! _jpg.jpg

I think this one wins

[*M!]

plus it looks prettier 'cause it's in colour :p good finding Grum

*M!

[KillingInTheNameOf]

and just to rub salt into the wound;
the same kit from a different angle

http://earthshaker.free.fr/images/photos-galeries/MikePORTNOY.jpg

[*M!]

na - the other shot was better!

only good thing about the above:

ANIMAL!

:D

*goes looking for a new avatar of animal instead of my bouncy bouncy boobies*

*M!

[Colezy]

Bloody hell! :p That's massive!

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Well regardless; any kit with more than one thrown is too big :p

[mel_bound]

How do you know it isnt a whats-it brass thingy :p

The only thing I'm basing my knowledge on is that it doesn't look brass. :P

I dunno if you can get coloured wraps or finishes on a sensitone, so I was assuming it was just a different drummmmm.

[KillingInTheNameOf]

Well personally I think it's just the one that he normally uses :p

[mel_bound]

ok, thanks then! :)

[KillingInTheNameOf]

http://www.tamadrum.co.jp/WarlordCollection/Line-up/index.html

Dunno if this will help but you can hear what the different shells sound like so you may be able to compare it to Andy's I spose

[Grumma]

Nah he doesn't, he also said something along the lines of "and I never will".

He does too.

Watch the live clip of All Torn Down and Prisoner Of Society on the FHOI DVD.

Theres also a couple of songs on State of Emergency where he uses them.

And also; to whichever idiot said they dont want Andy turning into a Death Metal drummer; the first musicians to use 2 bass drums were jazz musicians

[Jawn]

Ginger Baker from Cream had a double bass drum on their 2005 DVD. And Ginger Baker is about the best drummer. Ever. No contest.

[Grumma]

Revivin the thread even more with some clips of my favourites:

Travis Smith (Trivium)
- Live drum solo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqvuY-SC8ko)
- film clip for "Pull Harder on the Strings of Your Martyr" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anesii5GecE) (awsome double beat thing he's got goin with 4/4 on the hi and snare then toms on top of that) And yes he plays it live as well

Tim Yeung
- worlds fastet drummer contest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMOj9tHdhhY)

Nicholas Barker
- the fat man can drum
(and fast) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49leneiYd_Q)

Mike Smith
- the innovator of blasting (also gotta love the reference to SOAD at the end) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PATEO4Uomk)
- 25 second clip of a breakdown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GkK4O0_OL8)

As you can probably tell Im a sucker for fast playing. That's not to say that I dont also like complex playing (eg Danny Carey of Tool, Thomas Haake of Meshuggah) but man I just love the sound of double kicking ^_^

Hmm speaking of Haake:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5prrbihsb3g

Gah and how could I forget THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRuTcnd8YLU)

[Jawn]

And one of Ginger Baker because he is better than all of the above:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVqvNKsPKUM

[Grumma]

Probably.

I just like all the others better :)

[Jawn]

did you even listen to the Ginger Baker solo?


He kills Bonham. THERE I SAID IT

[Grumma]

Yeah I watched the first 6 minutes.

I didnt think it was much better (if at all) than Moby Dick

[Jawn]

It kills Moby Dick. Because your a speed-whore, watch the one from their farewell tour (its on the sidebar), because that was 30 odd years ago, when he was a lot faster. Poor guy has arthritis now. He plays melodies with his tom's. Bonham just sounded like a mess.

[Grumma]

I didnt think Bonham sounded like a mess

[Jawn]

The recorded version of when they first did it does. Its Bonham aimlessly hitting any drum whenever he feels like without any purpose. That made me not like Moby Dick that much at all. The video you supplied is slightly better, but it still didn't feel like the epic solo people always make it out to be.


But when I heard Toad, it was as if every image of a drum solo I had fit into what Ginger was doing. And when he goes into the jazz beat, its about the best thing ever.

Well, except for this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xRfQoeU938w) one

[Marv From NZ]

Aghh Cream! Reminds me of the weekend, when we listened to Cream for about an hour straight next to the pool.

[Jawn]

only an hour? :(


If that hour didn't consist of "Sweet Wine", "N.S.U" or "Politician" you fail even more.

[Marv From NZ]

Yeah only an hour because during the hour we began to consume large amounts of liquor, so by the end of that hour we became more "AGRESSIVE" minded and thus' came to the conclusion that we needed to listen to AC/DC and U2 for the rest of the party.

[Jawn]

U2 is more aggressive than Cream? Oh lordy.


Good choice on the AC/DC though.


I would have also done Bon Jovi for the sheer delight in singing him drunk.

[Marv From NZ]

Oh yeah we put on Bon Jovi aswell. But who doesn't put on Bon Jovi at a party really? Just put party in a sentence and you know Bon Jovi was played. It's stock.

I dunno if U2 is more agressive but lol we had to put it on because it started to fuck us off knowing that 9 people at the party went to the U2 concert last month.

[mel_bound]

Need advice. What's the difference between this (http://www.drumpower.com.au/store/product.php?productid=8&cat=69&page=1) and this (http://www.drumpower.com.au/store/product.php?productid=206&cat=17&page=1)?
and is there anything I should know about Sonor? Any other beginner kits suggestions? Thanks in advance :)

[Grumma]

It's mainly the quality of the bracings (judging by what it says)

The more expensive one has a throne (the other one doesnt)

But yeah I think the main difference is in the quality of the cymbal stands . . . and probably the hardware in general eg it doesnt tell you what type of bass pedal you get with the cheaper one (suggesting it would be as good)

[mel_bound]

OK, thanks. I read that it would be better to invest in a good throne and take really good care of it rather than have a crappy one.

Which would you say is better to get?

[Neo]

I'd go for the second one with sabian cymbals, except I'd try and swap the wood snare for the steel, because that is my favourite size and sounding snare hehe :D

[Grumma]

Yeah I wouldnt be too concerned about the throne.

And yeah Steel snares are the shiz (along with brass bell)

[Neo]

MY DOG JUST ATE MY BRAND NEW DRUMSTICKS!!!
:eek:



:mad:

[Grumma]

Haha . . .

Sucks to be you :p

Hmm speaking of sticks I got a pair for christmas that have a metal rod through them and rubber ends. Man they bounce off the snare like a biatch. Nearly friggin hit myself in the face every time!!!!!!!!!1

[Neo]

what do they sound like on cymbals?

[Grumma]

On the cymbals (well the hats and crash) they dont sound too bad. Ride is a little off . . .

But it's mainly the drums that i think sound the most off
Then again, I have a pretty shit ear for music :p

[Grumma]

Anyone got any idea what this means:

6.5x14 40 ply vented, Type 3 chrome, blue candy P.C., Die cast hoops, 7/8 offset lugs, trick t/o

[mel_bound]

I'd go for the second one with sabian cymbals, except I'd try and swap the wood snare for the steel, because that is my favourite size and sounding snare hehe :D

Thanks, I think I like metal snares too, thank you!

[Neo]

Anyone got any idea what this means:

6.5x14 40 ply vented, Type 3 chrome, blue candy P.C., Die cast hoops, 7/8 offset lugs, trick t/o

it sounds like you are talking about a wagon haha. but I think its a bass drum. is it a bass drum?

[mel_bound]

Sounds like something Orange County Drum and Percussion make.. isn't 6.5x14" a snare size?

*edit*
Yup, it's OCDP... they do the 7/8 offset lug heaps and they love their 'trick' throw off.. type 3 is a specific price of finish.

this it? (http://www.ocdrum.com/artists/profile.php?id=6)
browse through the site and it'll explain all that jargon :)

[Neo]

.. isn't 6.5x14" a snare size?
yeah. i think its a snare not a bass drum :p

but it could be a piccolo (sp?) tom or what ever they are called. the ones in like jamacan music

[mel_bound]

Ahh, I edited that post a bit late. :p
but I think I found the answer, Yay!

[Grumma]

it sounds like you are talking about a wagon haha. but I think its a bass drum. is it a bass drum?

It's John Otto's snare drum.
Make that thing packs some punch :cool:

*edit*
Mel you're a smartarse :p

[mel_bound]

*edit*
Mel you're a smartarse :p

*dances* yay!! :p

[Grumma]

But yeah . . .

I plan on stealing his snare drum . ..
When I wouldnt have a clue
How Im not sure and
Where Im pretty much stumped on

[Grumma]

YES!

1000th post as Grumma :cool:
And to celebrate, let us all look at this picture :)

http://a476.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/11/l_a4ef2401ea4778d82d229bb4d9e06b4b.jpg

[mel_bound]

I think I might be getting my kit this week *yay*

He does too.
Watch the live clip of All Torn Down and Prisoner Of Society on the FHOI DVD.
Theres also a couple of songs on State of Emergency where he uses them.
I just watched the live clips and I am in no way convinced at all that he uses them. Screen cap me a picture of the 2 beater heads and then I might be convinced otherwise :p

[Grumma]

You can see his legs moving up and down!

[Julian]

I'm sure Andy would appreciate some privacy from your voyuerism Grumma

[Grumma]

I don't know how you can accuse me of anything to do with Andy; it's Mel you should be looking at!

[mel_bound]

oi! :p


There's a thing called a hi hat :p

Also, he seems to move around alot even if he's not playing something, like tapping his left leg to keep rhythm. Just coz his leg is moving doesn't mean he's playing a double kick!

[Grumma]

We'll see :p

[Grumma]

Alright after viewing the intro for POS i still think he's using a double kick simply by his leg movements.

*goes back to watching*

[Marv From NZ]

Why would you need to use double kicks in the intro for POS?

Andy uses doubles in WOYR though...figured it out for myself. :) WOYR intro is a damn easy and fun sounding drum part to play on....drums.

[Grumma]

I don't need to use them for the intro but I do anyway.

And I think it's been mentioned that Trav at some stages of touring used them because he tired a lil towards the end of sets/tours.

[WhitefalconTLE44]

on one of the online chats, someone asked that question to andy, and he said that he never used a double kick, and never would. at least i think thats what a double kick is:D

stix: Andy just a drum question from another drummer.,...... Do you use a CS Dot on
your snare and a Double Kick? especially in the Whats on YOur Radio intro?

Andy Strachan: yes i do use cs dots or emperor x. i've never played a double kick in
my life...and never will

[Marv From NZ]

Looks like he uses it in the WOYR video and on the SOE DVD when he's testing the WOYR drumtrack in that sterile room in the Byron Bay studio.

[mel_bound]

on one of the online chats, someone asked that question to andy, and he said that he never used a double kick, and never would. at least i think thats what a double kick is:D

stix: Andy just a drum question from another drummer.,...... Do you use a CS Dot on
your snare and a Double Kick? especially in the Whats on YOur Radio intro?

Andy Strachan: yes i do use cs dots or emperor x. i've never played a double kick in
my life...and never will

That's what I was quoting. Why would he lie?

By the way, I own a shiny red Sonor kit as of a few hours ago. I got my first word from the neighbours too.. fuck where can I put them that's not gonna piss everyone off?

[Grumma]

Looks like he uses it in the WOYR video and on the SOE DVD when he's testing the WOYR drumtrack in that sterile room in the Byron Bay studio.

I have to agree with Marv on this one.

Besides, muso's say all sorts of crap just like we do
to Mel ^

[mel_bound]

Besides, muso's say all sorts of crap just like we do
to Mel ^

haha for once you're right :p

*wdit* yay my drums are getting moved inside :D :D

[Neo]

haha for once you're right :p

*wdit* yay my drums are getting moved inside :D :D

Here is a good and cheap way of sound proofing a room/garage/whatever. Save up as many egg cartons as you can. Beg from restaurant owners, steal from friends, do whatever you can do to get as many egg cartons as possible, then stick 'em to the walls! make sure there is as little amount of gaps as possible so the sound dosn't leak... then you can play as loud as you want and people outside would hardly hear a thing. we did that to my friends shed ;)

oh and make sure the pointy sides are facing towards you

[Colezy]

wow - egg cartons! haha, thats friggin genius!! :p

[Neo]

wow - egg cartons! haha, thats friggin genius!! :p

see not all drummers are blunt! we weren't sure if it would work at first so we asked our science teacher and she said it should work, so we did it. It doesn't drown out the sound completely but enough to keep the neighbours happy. :cool:

[mel_bound]

Freakin sweet, I think I saw that on a TV show called Life Support hahaha. That was a great show. Thanks!

[mel_bound]

http://a678.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/2/l_d65c45d68fd6ba619a2926ef771a5abd.jpg

[Sammas]

Here is a good and cheap way of sound proofing a room/garage/whatever. Save up as many egg cartons as you can. Beg from restaurant owners, steal from friends, do whatever you can do to get as many egg cartons as possible, then stick 'em to the walls! make sure there is as little amount of gaps as possible so the sound dosn't leak... then you can play as loud as you want and people outside would hardly hear a thing. we did that to my friends shed ;)

oh and make sure the pointy sides are facing towards you


You're science teacher said it would work? Tell her to go back to school, because egg cartons don't and never will soundproof a room. There is only a few ways to effectively soundproof a room - density, dead air space or putting the room in a vacuum. Since the latter is impossible we'll go on to the first two. Density is pretty straight forward, a room made out of timber isn't going to be as soundproof as a room made out of brick. Professional studios use varying densities layered to form the wall, the changes in density aids in trapping the wide range of frequencies of sound.

eg: 3 layers of gyprock then 4inches of acoustic fiberglass insulation, then 3 more layers of gyprock, then a single brick wall, then a cinderblock wall.

Dead airspace refers to a room within a room. Building a room inside another room with airspace between. This airspace is sealed so air cannot get in or out. Professional studios use both of these, there will be dead airspace between the inner gyprock layer and the brickwall, then more dead airspace between the brickwall and cinderblock wall for example. Because of the large amount of materials, soundproofing is expensive.

[Johnny_Wah]

wow.
wow.
that's good.
You know freakin heaps.

And I like the drum kit mel - now hot rod it with a doona in the bass drum and fluffy dice hangin' of the tom-tom thingy.

[mel_bound]

Sammas is a freakin' genius!

And I like the drum kit mel - now hot rod it with a doona in the bass drum and fluffy dice hangin' of the tom-tom thingy.
You're a freakin' genius!
hehe flufy dice. Awesome idea.

[Grumma]

http://a678.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/2/l_d65c45d68fd6ba619a2926ef771a5abd.jpg

Pffft only 2 toms?

:p

[mel_bound]

Sure, I'm trying it out, having the cymbal next to the tom. Incase you hadn't noticed, the second rack tom is on the floor :p

[Grumma]

Yeah I know, but still :p

The more Toms and Effect Cymbals the better!

[Grumma]

This is what Drumkits are about:

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o40/Grummski/DrumkitFromHell.jpg

cymbals starting from left are:

14" hi-hats
18" crash
10" splash
20" China
15" X hats
18" crash
22" ride

[Sammas]

The best drummer i've ever played with used a minimal kit, yet made more sounds with it than most drummers could get out of a kit twice the size. I dunno, I've always been a fan of the train of thought that having limited options (as far as instruments go) forces you to better utilize those instruments. After all, a drumkit's sound isn't just the bunch of drums and some cymbals, its anything that can make a sound.

[mel_bound]

I think Grumma was being his usual idiot with that 'more the better' quote :p

[Sammas]

I think Grumma was being his usual idiot with that 'more the better' quote :p

I don't know, I know quite a few drummers that would throw a wobbly if told to play on a "normal" sized kit. To each his own, I say.

[Grumma]

I prefer more toms because all the decent fills I've written sound shite unless you're using 4 or 5.

And as far as the cymbals go I'd use them as well.
That kit wasn't designed to just look big; I'd use each and everyone part of it more then enough to warrant its inclusion

And Mel the only thing where more is better is when you're talking about cowbell!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Cowbell2.jpg

[mel_bound]

And Mel the only thing where more is better is when you're talking about cowbell!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Cowbell2.jpg

YAY! haha.

To each his own, I say.
Indeedy :)

[Grumma]

And double kicks; can never have too much bass drum :p

[Grumma]

To each his own, I say.

I also think the kind of music they play that would influence the size drumkit required

[Sammas]

I prefer more toms because all the decent fills I've written sound shite unless you're using 4 or 5.

And as far as the cymbals go I'd use them as well.
That kit wasn't designed to just look big; I'd use each and everyone part of it more then enough to warrant its inclusion


What is it that warrants the inclusion of more drums or cymbals?

[Grumma]

The fact that I would use them all on a regular basis . . .

[Sammas]

The fact that I would use them all on a regular basis . . .


Because you want more sounds at your disposal, right? Which is why creative drummers don't need bigger kits, they can extract sounds out of minimal setups where most drummers don't even think to look.

[mel_bound]

I saw a show on Ch31 and a drummer was showing 'how to get 50 sounds out of a snare drum' *nods* I should see if that show's still on.

[Grumma]

As far as different techniques go there's standard hits, flams, rim shots, cross sticks then theres the different areas of the drum which make different sounds (eg close to the rim, in the middle)

[Julian]

Hehehe rim shots

[Grumma]

Yes the drum tech's best friend :p

[Neo]

You're science teacher said it would work? Tell her to go back to school, because egg cartons don't and never will soundproof a room. (blah blah blah blah blah)...

Actually smartarse, I've tried the egg carton thing and by reading my posts you would have noticed that it doesn't completely soundproof it but it does a good job and keeps next door happy. Also one of my dads friends, he is a drummer and he did a diy soundproofing job using egg cartons and foam I think and my dad says he playes so loud inside, and you can't hear a thing outside, although I can't really use this point in my defence as I have never been to his house and experienced this first hand. So you can shove your knowledge up your butt, and take a trip to the egg carton'd shed and see for yourself that textbooks dont really know everything.

[Johnny_Wah]

Actually smartarse, I've tried the egg carton thing and by reading my posts you would have noticed that it doesn't completely soundproof it but it does a good job and keeps next door happy. Also one of my dads friends, he is a drummer and he did a diy soundproofing job using egg cartons and foam I think and my dad says he playes so loud inside, and you can't hear a thing outside, although I can't really use this point in my defence as I have never been to his house and experienced this first hand. So you can shove your knowledge up your butt, and take a trip to the egg carton'd shed and see for yourself that textbooks dont really know everything.

Boom! Nice...

[Colezy]

Ahahaha! That's gotta be up there with the best replies ever! :D

Sorry Sammas! :p

[Sammas]

Actually smartarse, I've tried the egg carton thing and by reading my posts you would have noticed that it doesn't completely soundproof it but it does a good job and keeps next door happy. Also one of my dads friends, he is a drummer and he did a diy soundproofing job using egg cartons and foam I think and my dad says he playes so loud inside, and you can't hear a thing outside, although I can't really use this point in my defence as I have never been to his house and experienced this first hand. So you can shove your knowledge up your butt, and take a trip to the egg carton'd shed and see for yourself that textbooks dont really know everything.

*shrugs* just because you don't want to believe it doesn't mean its not true. You Dad's friend didn't use egg cartons and foam to soundproof the room, he used them for acoustic treatment. Go ahead, ask him. Biiiig difference. Acoustic treatment balances the sound within the room to prevent constructive and deconstructive nodes. It doesn't prevent or reduce the bleed of sound out of the room into the rest of the world. Even as acoustic treatment, egg cartons and foam are mediocre at best. They only control (and remove) a fraction of the high end, when in most situations its the low end causing the problems.

To address that last sentence, sure i'll take a trip to your shred. I'll even bring my textbook that addresses the placebo effect. ;)

[Sammas]

Ahahaha! That's gotta be up there with the best replies ever!

Sorry Sammas! :p

Thats ok :)

I kind of expected it... he probably spent months collecting those egg cartons.

:eek: :D

[Grumma]

http://twentysix.net/pics/pwned/matrixpwned.gif

[Johnny_Wah]

Amen Lord Grumma

[Grumma]

All hail the pwnage :cool:

[WHITE FALCON]

dude sammas owns because he knows soo much more then fricken that other dude!

[Johnny_Wah]

yeah but that "friken other dude" owns because he kicked the ass kicker's ass.

[Grumma]

What a hard ass :cool:

[Marv From NZ]

This is so stupid lol! LIKE GET OVER YOURSELVES...WHO GIVES A SHIT! It's only EGG-CARTONS.

[Grumma]

In other news; England suck :)

[Johnny_Wah]

Agreed!
Ten letters

[damo0945]

yeah, mind you i think it was more the opposite in tonights one dayer. i.e england actually made a fair score but australia still spanked them

[Neo]

... he probably spent months collecting those egg cartons.

:eek: :D

No, our friends father is a chef and part time house cleaner. it took us 2 weeks to finish it.

[Grumma]

http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs10/i/2006/109/1/3/Teh_Pwnage_by_Zeldablue.gif

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7959/pwnage7ar.gif

Twice the pwnage!
:p

[mel_bound]

Stop it with the pwnage animations :p

[Grumma]

Make me :p

[mel_bound]

Where are you getting them all from anyway?

[Grumma]

lol google images

[Neo]

Haha they are funny.

Anyway, We just had a new next door neighbour move in and now i'm not aloud to play drums while he is home. How gay! the old lady who used to live there, used to let me play all day and comment me on how it was improving and stuff. how sad.

Although I think I gave the lady a heart attack once when I moved my kit fron the garage to my room anmd started playing, because her room is right next to mine (our houses are joined together, like a villa) but she is old and I guess she needs full time care now.

I think when i pickup my new computer, I'll move to the garage again and record stuff. yay

[Grumma]

He can't legally stop you from playing though can he?

The curfew for loud noises is around 10pm so I don't see how he could stop you from playing whenever you feel like it (before 10)

[Grumma]

Man playing Iced Earth is a biatch:

6 minutes of your feet going RLRLRLRLRLRLRLRL

gah

[Julian]

Yeah, i'm pretty sure Grummas right. Your fine playing until the curfew comes into place so go nuts.

[Grumma]

Yeah you should be right so long as it's below a certain decibel level (which is pretty high)

[Neo]

He can't legally stop you from playing though can he?

The curfew for loud noises is around 10pm so I don't see how he could stop you from playing whenever you feel like it (before 10)

Yeah but my mum doesn't want him to complain cause she thinks they will kick us out of our house :rolleyes:

Meh, I'll move it to the garage today. Him and whoever else is in there talk so fricken loud anyway they probably wont hear me playing hahaha

[Sammas]

He can't legally stop you from playing though can he?

The curfew for loud noises is around 10pm so I don't see how he could stop you from playing whenever you feel like it (before 10)


Unless you are part of a strata, like most villa's and townhouses are. They can do terrible things to you if you don't follow their rules including fines, or eviction if you are renting.

[Neo]

Unless you are part of a strata, like most villa's and townhouses are. They can do terrible things to you if you don't follow their rules including fines, or eviction if you are renting.

Preciesly.

[chrisgormly]

Hey was an old friend of Ian Rilen...he fucking cheated when we played golf at Elsternwick Public, I swear!

[chrisgormly]

I hope that wasn't the golf course that the drummer fella from Crowded House necked himself on, was it> Karmah? Too sensitive>?

[chrisgormly]

If so, I'd like to know the hole.
Ian always said, "anytime you want to play Golf, just give me a call!"

[mel_bound]

What the...?

[Johnny_Wah]

What the...?

I agree

10 letters

[Julian]

Haha they are funny.
Although I think I gave the lady a heart attack once when I moved my kit fron the garage to my room anmd started playing, because her room is right next to mine (our houses are joined together, like a villa) but she is old and I guess she needs full time care now.


Heh this reminds me of my next door neighbour who has been hearing me playing guitar. He found his old guitar and asked me for a chord chart. Apparently I inspired him to get playing again :p

[Grumma]

Save it for the guitar thread buddy :p

[Johnny_Wah]

Pfft. Drummers...

[Grumma]

If it wasn't for drummers all the music in the world would be classical or kinky folk songs ala Robin Hood style

[Johnny_Wah]

Oh yeah...
Pfft Drummers...

[Grumma]

My old drum instructors (former) band:

www.myspace.com/astateofflux

[Lowee]

Wow! Literate Drummers! :p

[Grumma]

Haha apparently while he was still teaching me he wasn't a "teacher"; only an instructor but then he did some certificate and now he gets paid more for doing the same thing :p

[Grumma]

W3RD :cool:


http://www.ddrum.com/namm07/02a.jpg

http://www.ddrum.com/namm07/02b.jpg

[Grumma]

Man I wish had more money so I could get summin like this:

Mean Snare Drum (https://www.billyhydemusic.com.au/shop/index.cfm?action=view&id=1351)

[Grumma]

Best drum off ever (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDU-ZyBQRnQ)

[mel_bound]

Hahahah that's awesome!

[deano1337]

that trivium kit has the best fucking grafics EVER

[Grumma]

Yeah I'm pretty sure Trav (the drummer) designed them.

He does the album art for a heap of big metal bands

[Grumma]

Me layin down some phat beats:
Stairway To Heaven (http://media.putfile.com/Drums-StairwayToHeaven)

Youth Of The Nation (http://media.putfile.com/Drums-YouthOfTheNation)

One
(http://media.putfile.com/Drums-One)
Wake Up + Iris (I'll fix it up later)

I stuffed up a few times in the last one (WakeUp+Iris), and also in One I didn't play it very well either

[Grumma]

Why would you need to use double kicks in the intro for POS?

Andy uses doubles in WOYR though...figured it out for myself. :) WOYR intro is a damn easy and fun sounding drum part to play on....drums.

When does he use the doubles?
This is done with singles so it is possible:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p69LySjrYjA

And a comparison of POS with a single and with a double (though i played the doubles too fast)
Click here to watch POS-comparion (http://media.putfile.com/POS-comparion)

[patty_ww]

Im pretty sure WOYR is a single pedal...

[Grumma]

Yeah it doesn't sound like it would need a double pedal to be played.

It's just a few double "da dums" followed by a constant "dum" at only a medium tempo

[Neo]

hey Grumma, I can't listen to those recordings you did. they aren't loading for me... bummer

[Neo]

dont worry, I fixed it! now I have to wait for them to load

wow for the first time in my life I actually out smarted a computer :o

[Grumma]

Well the links definitely work cos when I click em they start loading . . .

dunno . . .

I wouldnt say any of em were my best work; I dropped my left stick near the end of Stairway, bass drum was all over the place in the bridge of Youth and One . . . well . . . just was sloppy to say the least.

I'll have another crack at it tomorrow cos I gotta record some stuff for a mate anyway (which I might as well post here)

*edit* haha awsome.

If not here's my putfiel home page
http://www.putfile.com/grummski

[Neo]

haha wicked. You sound a bit off in One! I expected it to heaps better :p just kidding. nah it has only loaded like the first 20 seconds

[Grumma]

lol a bit off?

It was woeful :p

Apart from when I was first learning it that's probably the worst I've ever played it tbh

[Neo]

I am jealous of your double kicking-ness. I really want a pair now :D but I can only afford really cheap ones. dammit.

you recording quality sounds pretty good, maybe it should've been turned down a bit so it doesnt sound all crap on the highs.

[Grumma]

Aighty I'll keep that in mind.

There's awsome double kicks at the end of Stairway :p

[Neo]

awesome, i'll listen to that next. one has only loaded 50% so far.

also would it be alright if I used your file so i can record guitar and shit over the top of it?

[Grumma]

Yeah knock yourself out.

If you want One I'll re-do it tomorrow a couple of times till I actually do a decent job :p

[Neo]

sweet :)

'cos I've always wanted to record One, but a) I cant do the double kicks on a single pedal and b) my microphone sucks anyway and doesn't pick up the bass drum very well either.

Oh and I'm going to use youth of the nation too! I haven't played that song in ages!! I need to re-program my effects unit for the guitar again, i had it so perfect once it sounded rad!!!!