So our friend Phillip is in rehab

[Kev]

:(

THE lead singer of chart-topping rock band Grinspoon has become the first Australian celebrity known to succumb to the drug known as ice.

Singer Phil Jamieson is undergoing treatment for addiction to crystal methamphetamine as the drug continues to claim thousands of victims from all walks of life.

Jamieson was last week admitted to Odyssey House's detox unit at Ingleburn, in Sydney's southwest.

The singer/songwriter left the centre yesterday to complete a four to six-week rehabilitation program at a private clinic.

His wife Julie Fitzgerald is expecting their second child in four weeks.

The singer for the ARIA award-winning band admitted himself for treatment after an intervention by his wife and family, who had become concerned about his erratic behaviour.

While the singer has a reputation for embracing the rock'n'roll lifestyle, those close to him said yesterday they could barely recognise him when he was on the addictive drug.

The songwriter has also penned several songs about drugs – including the band's breakthrough hit Chemical Heart – and the band drew their name from Harvard Medical School professor and marijuana supporter, Dr Lester Grinspoon.

Grinspoon manager Gregg Donovan yesterday issued a statement on behalf of the band members and Jamieson's family.

"Grinspoon frontman Phil Jamieson has voluntarily admitted himself to rehab in relation to substance abuse issues," the statement read.

"Grinspoon will be releasing their fifth studio album (Alibis And Other Lies) later this year. The band has spent the last few months in the studio recording it and all are very excited by what has come out of these sessions.

"Everybody in the Grinspoon camp and his family are supportive of Phil's movements in getting himself into rehab, and can't wait to have him back on board."

A source told The Saturday Daily Telegraph Jamieson had kept to himself while undergoing a medicated withdrawal treatment at Odyssey House.

"He came in low key," the insider said.

"He's looked a lot better but he is still recognisable. One resident recognised him but was told by staff to keep quiet. He just keeps to himself."

Oddysey House is dealing with an "ice epidemic".

"We are getting hundreds of people coming through. We've got 19-year-olds in here who can't even say their own names," the insider said.

A recent report by the Australian National Council on Drugs found 1.5 million Australians had tried methamphetamines, including speed and ice.





He reads these here boards, so give him some love in this thread.

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[kelso]

best of luck to ya!

[Bec]

Aww.. good on him for admitting himself though. I hope it all goes well for him. Good Luck if you're reading this Phil! (and also if you're not)

And here's some Phil lovin' :p

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[The Dying Start]

That's a bit silly, Phil. But I'm glad you're on the mend. Stay strong, you're a good bloke.

[Jessii]

Good luck, and i hope your wife has a happy and healthy baby!

[mel_bound]

Get better soon mate! :)

[Strider]

Yeah, I read that when I logged on msn. I thought his drug addiction days were behind him by now!

[RollOn]

Get better soon Phil, hope all goes well :)

[Ally]

I heard them mention it on JJJ news earlier today. Good on him for getting help. Hope you get better soon Phil and good luck with the new baby.

[Grumma]

Well you can tell he's gonna be a great father then *rollseyes*

[Kacky]

Get better soon, Phil! :)

[Emily]

get better soon Phil, and i hope all goes well with the baby.

[BennyD]

i reckon u could tell he was doin something again... whats with that blond hair he's got, when i saw him playing as the lost gospel he definatly was out of it.

[Grumma]

No that's just him naturally.

It's when he doesnt look out of it that you have to be worried about

[Neo]

No that's just him naturally.

It's when he doesnt look out of it that you have to be worried about
ugh... your a fag. seriously what do you have against him?

[Grumma]

I just dont hold any respect or sympathy for anyone who uses recreational drugs

[luke_the edge_dragons]

good luck phil. hope all is good soon and im sure the new album will be great.

[Caity]

Grumma just doesn't like him because of the spat they had on the old boards. Sook.

Hope it all works out silly philly!

[Grumma]

He takes drugs: why would anyone like him?

[Kev]

The blonde hair doesn't suite him.

[Bec]

He takes drugs: why would anyone like him?

Lots of people take drugs and are still liked.

[damo0945]

i think it is a bit short sighted to like or dislike somebody because they either
take a substance,
have taken a substance,
or have clearly had their life ruined enough already that you should probably feel sorry for them.

[mel_bound]

i think it is a bit short sighted to like or dislike somebody because they either
take a substance,
have taken a substance,
or have clearly had their life ruined enough already that you should probably feel sorry for them.

Grumma's just trying to make excuses coz he dislikes Phil for no good reason.

[Mirm]

I just dont hold any respect or sympathy for anyone who uses recreational drugs

well the issue we're talking about here isnt to do with recreational drug use, its habitual.
I dont have a problem with people using drugs occasionally. If it interferes with their ability to function in society, then I would be concerned, but if a person recognizes that they've developed a problem, and then seeks help for this, well that would make me gain respect for them, knowing they were willing to take the difficult steps to recovery.

Drug use doesnt make a person unlikeable. You're a close-minded idiot if you would cut off every person who has ever used drugs. The amount of people who have used drugs is huge. Your parents probably have. Possibly heavily, while you were in the womb, which would explain why you're so stupid.
You yourself probably drink alchohol, caffeinated drinks, possibly tobacco, all of these are substances that can be quite addictive, but society doesnt cut these people off, they support and encourage these habits.

So many drugs that are deemed illicit are quite probably less harmful than those that are shoved down our throats regularly.

I'm not condoning the use of ice here, because I've only ever seen it do bad things, but I think its stupid to write-off every single drug as horrible, and every single person who has ever used drugs as some sort of lost cause, especially if you've never experienced any of this yourself. I've seen and experienced my fair share of drug use, and i'm no worse for it. I'm glad for what I've tried, glad for what ive seen. Its an eye opener and a mind opener. maybe you should start experimenting grumma.

[cdejonge]

The amount of people who have used drugs is huge. Your parents probably have. Possibly heavily, while you were in the womb, which would explain why you're so stupid. lmao! Loving it.

maybe you should start experimenting grumma.Don't encourage him - look how he is now :p

[Grumma]

or have clearly had their life ruined enough already that you should probably feel sorry for them.

I dont see why we should feel sorry for someone who has intentionally done something damaging to themselves

[Mirm]

Whats annoying me here is that you assume that ALL drugs are damaging.
Its just such an ignorant point of view.

[Liz]

He takes drugs: why would anyone like him?

You take that back Grumma!

I've loved Phil ever since I started loving Grinspoon.

[Sarah]

well the issue we're talking about here isnt to do with recreational drug use, its habitual.
I dont have a problem with people using drugs occasionally. If it interferes with their ability to function in society, then I would be concerned, but if a person recognizes that they've developed a problem, and then seeks help for this, well that would make me gain respect for them, knowing they were willing to take the difficult steps to recovery.

Drug use doesnt make a person unlikeable. You're a close-minded idiot if you would cut off every person who has ever used drugs. The amount of people who have used drugs is huge. Your parents probably have. Possibly heavily, while you were in the womb, which would explain why you're so stupid.
You yourself probably drink alchohol, caffeinated drinks, possibly tobacco, all of these are substances that can be quite addictive, but society doesnt cut these people off, they support and encourage these habits.

So many drugs that are deemed illicit are quite probably less harmful than those that are shoved down our throats regularly.

I'm not condoning the use of ice here, because I've only ever seen it do bad things, but I think its stupid to write-off every single drug as horrible, and every single person who has ever used drugs as some sort of lost cause, especially if you've never experienced any of this yourself. I've seen and experienced my fair share of drug use, and i'm no worse for it. I'm glad for what I've tried, glad for what ive seen. Its an eye opener and a mind opener. maybe you should start experimenting grumma.



I was going to say the same thing - just probably not as well put as that!

Phil you need to get better soon so you can come back on here and give Grumma a few more digs :)

[Higgins]

I just dont hold any respect or sympathy for anyone who uses recreational drugs

i agree, i respect him as a musician but thats it. frankly he brought it upon himself, but good on him for checkign himself into rehab
i feel sorry for his family

[Neo]

Grumma just doesn't like him because of the spat they had on the old boards. Sook.

Hope it all works out silly philly!

I remember that. sort of :p I have the worst memory ever. i remember It was when silly was typing everything in spanish or something. haha that was funny

[Caity]

*laughs at Miriam*

Yeah, Grumma, just shut up. You're being ridiculous and stupid and completely unfair.

[Aaron]

Regardless of what you think of someone's choices to use drugs, taking the initiative to begin the difficult process of recovery has to be respected. Those who carry on recklessly are a different matter, but self-imposed rehabilitation deserves full support.

And on that note: Good onya Phil, and good luck.

[Caity]

Absolutely.
I daresay that if it was one of Grumma's close friends in this situation, he wouldn't be so judgemental and so negative.

[cdejonge]

Absolutely.
I daresay that if it was one of Grumma's close friends in this situation, he wouldn't be so judgemental and so negative.You're assuming Grumma has friends. Don't make assumptions Caity.

[Caity]

You're assuming Grumma has friends. Don't make assumptions Caity.
Very true. I apologise.

[The Dying Start]

I('d go so far as to say that 98% of people on this board have used recreational drugs.

Alcohol is a drug. So is smoking.

People who go through life wihout even sipping an alcoholic beverage,. or taking that experimental puff on a ciggie, are few and far between.

[Disease]

*raises hand*


I am part of the 2%..

[Jake]

I have admiration for people who don't try alcohol/cigarettes, because there is such great social pressure from it in most places, but still, I'd rather try and dismiss something than just miss out.

On topic - he might have made some wrong chocies and got in with 'bad crowds' to develop this drug problem, but at least he's seen that he has a problem and is working toward fixing it - that also takes a lot of courage.

[Jodez]

Whats with Kev and breaking news??? Maybe you should become a reporter!haha

[Disease]

Whats with Kev and breaking news??? Maybe you should become a reporter!haha

...I have noticed that actually... :confused:

[Kev]

Cue dodgy news intro music.

I have my sweet and sours, my sweet chili's, and my tomatos.

[Caity]

*raises hand*


I am part of the 2%..

I too am part of the minority.

[kelso]

*raises hand*


I am part of the 2%..

me three ten characters bah!

[The Dying Start]

You're all sad. Get some alcohol in ya. Seriously. If you drink in moderation it's great. I drink because i like the taste, rather then trying to get drunk. I haven't been drunk since I was a kid, really. Have a go.

I wouldn't suggest trying a ciggie though...they're rank.

[Aaron]

Alcohol for the taste? Hahahaha.

[The Dying Start]

You haven't had a nice wine? Nice Liquer?

[kelso]

im just strange that's all
I dont like the taste of alcohol
im not afraid of it, just dont like the taste or the burn down my throat haha

and no thanks on the cig
im sure one day my curiosity will catch up to me
but for now, no way

[i_heart_you]

you have get the sweet, flavored drinks, like wine coolers and flavored smirnof, to start. it helps break your taste buds before you can move onto fine wines, and really appreciate them for what they are.

but about phil;
good for him for getting help. i've seen too many friends drug themselves to the point that they're just zombies. no one can help them but themselves.

not all drugs are bad. marijuana is known to be a helpful drug in therapy and in regards to nervous system disorders. also, asprin? it's addictive, yes. but incredibly helpful.

[Caity]

You're all sad. Get some alcohol in ya. Seriously. If you drink in moderation it's great. I drink because i like the taste, rather then trying to get drunk. I haven't been drunk since I was a kid, really. Have a go.

I wouldn't suggest trying a ciggie though...they're rank.


You said recreational drugs so I assumed you meant marijuana etc. I have had alcohol before, definitely.

[Strider]

Alochol does taste crap. But then again so does Macdonalds. Yet some people seem to think that tastes good too.

[Mirm]

There are a lot of drinks out there that taste good.
I mean, theres such a huge range of alcohol available, but basically, you get what you pay for. The more money you spend, the better the drink is likely to be.

Theres nothing wrong with experimenting with alcohol or even drugs, really. All it takes is a little bit of research to work out what will fuck you up badly and what will just meddle with you a little bit in a very nice way.

[cdejonge]

What if your drink is spiked or you get a bag batch of drugs and next thing you know you're dead?

[Jodez]

Well you wouldnt know cause you were dead hehehe

[Mirm]

What if your drink is spiked or you get a bag batch of drugs and next thing you know you're dead?

you run the risk of drink spiking regardless of the alcohol content of the drink. if you're out in pretty much any social setting, you can fall victim to drink spiking.

as for the drugs.. i guess you could just make them yourself?
i dont know. its more or a risk than drink spiking, i suppose, but its sort of like..

I dunno, everyone i know just gets stuff as pure as they can, in crystal if possible, so i guess that eliminates some risk.
and things like lsd trips, etc, its so cheap to make anyway that people wouldnt bother putting anything retarded in it.

[Strider]

There are a lot of drinks out there that taste good.

Only cos the alcohol is flooded over with something else.

[Aaron]

Yeah, that's what I meant :p

[Caity]

A friend of a girl I worked with in Cairns went to a party and was offered ecstasy. She refused but the person slipped it into her drink. The girl didn't notice, swallowed it and died from a reaction to it.

[Mirm]

Only cos the alcohol is flooded over with something else.

No, I mean the alcohol itself. Not with a mixer or in a cocktail, but on its own. You can get damn fine alcohol that tastes just lovely.

[Disease]

A friend of a girl I worked with in Cairns went to a party and was offered ecstasy. She refused but the person slipped it into her drink. The girl didn't notice, swallowed it and died from a reaction to it.

..damn. :(

[Macccca]

drink spiking is a terrible thing, but your drink doesnt need to be alcholoic for it to be spiked so it is hardly a danger concerning drinking alcoholic drinks.

smoking, i dont like it but as of july it basically cant be done anywhere so it affects me not.

recreational drugs, who cares? im not a user myself of anything but im not afraid to experiment. may sound silly but do the preachers here tell people not to skydive? not to drive fast cars? all are dangerous and all are personal choices

[Grumma]

Just because you have a fast car doesn't mean you have to drive fast.

And drink spiking is generally worse (in consequence) with alcohol than it is with non-alcoholic beverages

[Macccca]

sorry, i didnt realise my arguments needed to be so specific, if you remove the word 'cars' its better?

It may be a little worse but a drink being spiked is a drink being spiked, horrible consequences happen from both independant of if alcohol is present. one of my best mates has been spiked before and she never touches alcohol, it wasnt a pretty sight.

[Kacky]

...Exactly why I don't go to any highschool parties without knowing who's going to be there first. I don't usually go parties though, they all end up getting busted by the police, and sometimes arrests are made. And I can't stand the sight of drunken teenagers fighting either..it doesn't solve anything.

[Disease]

Taking drugs alters your mind. Driving cars doesn't.

[Grumma]

Taking drugs alters your mind. Driving cars doesn't.

Same with alcohol ;)

*edit* Which I spose you'd call a drug as well

[Macccca]

drugs come in pill forms, cars don't.

are we debating the chemistry behind drugs or the fact they are dangerous?

[Grumma]

What kind of an idiot would want to eat a car?

[Macccca]

164ft mechanical car eating monster?

[The Dying Start]

As if you didn't all know alcohol was a recreational drug. Well that kicked alot of people out of the 2%!!

[Mirm]

drink spiking is a terrible thing, but your drink doesnt need to be alcholoic for it to be spiked so it is hardly a danger concerning drinking alcoholic drinks.

smoking, i dont like it but as of july it basically cant be done anywhere so it affects me not.

recreational drugs, who cares? im not a user myself of anything but im not afraid to experiment. may sound silly but do the preachers here tell people not to skydive? not to drive fast cars? all are dangerous and all are personal choices

yeah, like the iceman who jumped out that helicopter and his chute fucked up and he landed on someone's car and died.
my boyfriend was there, MAN.
See, at that doof, probably every other dangerous thing we've talked about in this thread was present- illicit drugs, alcohol, mixing of the two, possible drink spiking, cigarette smoking, you name it.
but the one bad thing that happens is the last thing you'd expect to happen, with the most awful possible consequence.

[Neo]

Taking drugs alters your mind. Driving cars doesn't. If you had a car accident and bumped your head, it could alter your mind alot.

[mel_bound]

If you had a car accident and bumped your head, it could alter your mind alot.

Wasn't Grumma in a car accident recently...?


:p

[Grumma]

Yeah but my noggin survived unscathed :p

[Disease]

If you had a car accident and bumped your head, it could alter your mind alot.

Yes, but:

Having car accidents is not an essential part of driving a car. PLUS most car accidents are completely avoidable.

Taking drugs is, funnily enough, an essential part of taking drugs.

So when you take drugs, you have a guarantee of your mind being altered. When you drive a car, there is merely a slim chance.

[Grumma]

PLUS most car accidents are completely avoidable.


Aye`.

Like not having 3 bald tyres and one new one ;)

[Macccca]

mind altering.

doesnt have to be dangerous. when was this decided?

again. whats this discussion about because it seems to be slipping from drugs are dangerous to drugs are mind altering.

[The Dying Start]

Is have a red cordial enema, a recreational drug takng excercise?

[Mirm]

Yes, but:

Having car accidents is not an essential part of driving a car. PLUS most car accidents are completely avoidable.

Taking drugs is, funnily enough, an essential part of taking drugs.

So when you take drugs, you have a guarantee of your mind being altered. When you drive a car, there is merely a slim chance.

Oh man. So what if your mind gets altered?
The whole argument here is that in our daily life we are subject to HEAPS of mind-altering substances, which have already been listed, that we dont complain and bitch about.
We even ingest a lot of things that alter ourselves physically, too.
If you cut dairy out of your diet, theres a huge chance that if you eat it again after, say, a year, you'll be lactose intolerant and have a bad physical reaction to it. But the majority of us are all so used to it that we've developed a tolerance.
If we get too much oxygen into our systems, we'd die.
We ingest caffeine, we smoke tobacco, and if we dont feel like smoking tobacco you can put on a little patch which puts the nicotine into your system without you having to lift a finger, or eat a nicotine lolly. its ridiculous.

Bitching about drug-use simply because it alters your state of mind is a piss-weak excuse. everything changes a person in some way or another.

Just because something is taboo doesnt mean its bad.
These stupid rules against drug use suck balls, because while so many people want to bitch about them simply because they've been TOLD that they're bad, very little research has actually been done on them.
Maybe if people would just lighten up with their attitude towards drugs, then they'd allow (and fund) research to be done on them, and theres a pretty good chance that theyd find out that heaps of drugs really arent that bad.
They might even discover that they're good for us.
studies have been released that pot has several good side effects, so why not begin the research on other drugs. I'd like them to begin with lsd, please, as it does the most interesting things to you.

[The Dying Start]

Hahaha. Miriam's funny.

[Disease]

Oh man. So what if your mind gets altered?

All I said was that it does. I wasn't intending to argue with anyone about anything and I wasn't alluding to anything. Just stating a fact.



Personally though, I don't experiment with drugs. My life is perfectly fine without any of that stuff.

[The Dying Start]

This forum is a recreational drug anyway.

[Mirm]

All I said was that it does. I wasn't intending to argue with anyone about anything and I wasn't alluding to anything. Just stating a fact.



Personally though, I don't experiment with drugs. My life is perfectly fine without any of that stuff.

I'm sure your life could be better.

[Disease]

Nah... not really.

[Strider]

Oh man. So what if your mind gets altered?
The whole argument here is that in our daily life we are subject to HEAPS of mind-altering substances, which have already been listed, that we dont complain and bitch about.
We even ingest a lot of things that alter ourselves physically, too.
If you cut dairy out of your diet, theres a huge chance that if you eat it again after, say, a year, you'll be lactose intolerant and have a bad physical reaction to it. But the majority of us are all so used to it that we've developed a tolerance.
If we get too much oxygen into our systems, we'd die.
We ingest caffeine, we smoke tobacco, and if we dont feel like smoking tobacco you can put on a little patch which puts the nicotine into your system without you having to lift a finger, or eat a nicotine lolly. its ridiculous.

Bitching about drug-use simply because it alters your state of mind is a piss-weak excuse. everything changes a person in some way or another.

Just because something is taboo doesnt mean its bad.
These stupid rules against drug use suck balls, because while so many people want to bitch about them simply because they've been TOLD that they're bad, very little research has actually been done on them.
Maybe if people would just lighten up with their attitude towards drugs, then they'd allow (and fund) research to be done on them, and theres a pretty good chance that theyd find out that heaps of drugs really arent that bad.
They might even discover that they're good for us.
studies have been released that pot has several good side effects, so why not begin the research on other drugs. I'd like them to begin with lsd, please, as it does the most interesting things to you.

But the mind altering substances on the market (ie coffee and additives etc) are legal and don't effect you in such a way that it will effect your driving, if they do we're usually presented with huge warnings on the labels.
Other drugs such as Pot, Alcohol (in large doses), LSD etc etc DO EFFECT people because they cause you to make stupid decisions, slow your reaction speed, hallucinations, blah blah blah. And there HAS been research done on it, countless studies...Just google it, you might learn something.

[Grumma]

Hahaha. Miriam's funny.

Yes her arguments are quite laughable

*edit*


And that was before reading this page

[Strider]

Yes her arguments are quite laughable

*edit*


And that was before reading this page

Grumma, this may be an absolute first...I agree with you 100%.

[too cool for hyphens ed]

But the mind altering substances on the market (ie coffee and additives etc) are legal and don't effect you in such a way that it will effect your driving, if they do we're usually presented with huge warnings on the labels.
Other drugs such as Pot, Alcohol (in large doses), LSD etc etc DO EFFECT people because they cause you to make stupid decisions, slow your reaction speed, hallucinations, blah blah blah. And there HAS been research done on it, countless studies...Just google it, you might learn something.

Legality, Schmegality. Cocaine was legal in the early 20th Century, half of what is out there now hadn't been invented then, who gives a shit?

EVERYTHING we do affects our decision-making in some way. Take a step back , look at the big picture, and think about it. I mean, you've got a fair point, mind-altering substances, decision-mkaing, etc. but everything does that, to a certain degree. If people want to live their lives in a certain way, let them.

I think that the current law and attitude towards any kind of drug use is VERY outdated. People are stuck in a conservative mindset. Attitudes toward drug use needs to change, and it will, in time.

I agree with what Miriam said.

For those people that think they don't touch anything which affects their judgement, i have 2 things to say to you:

(1) Did you have a cup of coffee this morning? Or breathe? If you did, guess what? You took a mind altering substance.

(2) Go and live life!




...I think that was everything.

[Strider]

Legality, Schmegality. Cocaine was legal in the early 20th Century, half of what is out there now hadn't been invented then, who gives a shit?

EVERYTHING we do affects our decision-making in some way. Take a step back , look at the big picture, and think about it. I mean, you've got a fair point, mind-altering substances, decision-mkaing, etc. but everything does that, to a certain degree. If people want to live their lives in a certain way, let them.

I think that the current law and attitude towards any kind of drug use is VERY outdated. People are stuck in a conservative mindset. Attitudes toward drug use needs to change, and it will, in time.

I agree with what Miriam said.

For those people that think they don't touch anything which affects their judgement, i have 2 things to say to you:

(1) Did you have a cup of coffee this morning? Or breathe? If you did, guess what? You took a mind altering substance.

(2) Go and live life!




...I think that was everything.

Re-read what people said. You clearly haven't. We ACCEPT that there are many things which are legally purchased and have mind-altering properties. HOWEVER, most of them impact the brain so minimally it's not even worth mentioning. What a piss poor excuse people who take drugs use to try and make themselves feel better about what they do. Take drugs as much as you want, no-one gives a shit to be honest, it's when the small percentage of morons go and effect other peoples lives because of their addictions, that's when I get pissed off.

I suggest the following. Go get a whole bunch of your friends who all take drugs, get high, then jump in your cars and drive around a little racetrack at the same time. I'm interested to see what the results would be. Perhaps if any of you had someone close to you die in a car accident from some idiot high off drugs or drunk out of their brains you might actually think about what you're saying.

[Neo]

PLUS most car accidents are completely avoidable.
I that a fact or just your stupid opinion?

[Strider]

I that a fact or just your stupid opinion?

More car accidents are avoidable if people don't actually jump in their cars and drive. Just as most drug overdoses are avoidable by not taking the drugs in the first place. For some reason I don't think that's what he meant.

[Deanis]

AAAnnnnnnyyyyway. Good luck to Phil. You are a silly man for trying that addictive shit. Buh hopefully ya rehab comes through alright, and we see ya crankin out the tunes again with the 'Spoon. Rock on!

[Grumma]

I that a fact or just your stupid opinion?

They are though.

If you speed and crash you could've avoided the crash by speeding . ..

1+1 doesn't equal 5

[Johnny_Wah]

^^ It does for drummers.

[Grumma]

I spose it can if you're playing a polyrythm

[i_heart_you]

Re-read what people said. You clearly haven't. We ACCEPT that there are many things which are legally purchased and have mind-altering properties. HOWEVER, most of them impact the brain so minimally it's not even worth mentioning.


i agree with you on this point.
that is, if you make the assumption that people are not generally stupid, and greedy. caffeine is legally bought, but if you ingest too much of it, you could kill yourself. you can get spray paint anywhere, but you know some kid out there is going to sniff it, and get high.
paint sniffing and caffeine od-ing happens all the time. but do they take it off the shelves? do they pass laws that make it illegal? no.

many (key word; many. so don't get carried away with nitpicking) drugs are safe in small amounts, just like any other product on the market. so why are they made illegal? they're just as dangerous and prone to misuse as any other substance on your grocery shelves. you punish everyone for a few people's abuse? i hardly think that's fair.

let's destroy all asprin now because someone stupidly took too many.

[Disease]

I that a fact or just your stupid opinion?

The former.

[Neo]

The former.
what reliable source did you acquire this information from?

[Grumma]

The land of there's a c between the a and q ;)

[Strider]

i agree with you on this point.
that is, if you make the assumption that people are not generally stupid, and greedy. caffeine is legally bought, but if you ingest too much of it, you could kill yourself. you can get spray paint anywhere, but you know some kid out there is going to sniff it, and get high.
paint sniffing and caffeine od-ing happens all the time. but do they take it off the shelves? do they pass laws that make it illegal? no.

many (key word; many. so don't get carried away with nitpicking) drugs are safe in small amounts, just like any other product on the market. so why are they made illegal? they're just as dangerous and prone to misuse as any other substance on your grocery shelves. you punish everyone for a few people's abuse? i hardly think that's fair.

let's destroy all asprin now because someone stupidly took too many.

Yes, but caffeine is meant to be drunk in the quantities provided (ie, cans, small cartons). Paint ISN'T meant to be sniffed, it's meant to be used for painting, petrol is meant for cars etc etc. Chroming is actually illegal...as I said before drugs that can be bought from the chemist usually have warnings, and normal everyday items that can be purchased at the shop have absolutely minimal impact on your brain. I think some people are misunderstanding the whole issue.

[Grumma]

*I* think some people are just stupid ;)

[The Dying Start]

You aughtta know. You have to live with yourself.

[Neo]

*I* think some people are just stupid ;)
you cant call people who sniff paint or petrol stupid. They cant help that its embedded into their brain to like the smell. Its like how some people like to smell flowers. all they have to do is catch a wiff of paint on a wall somewhere and get addicted and thats just unfortunate for them.

[Grumma]

you cant call people who sniff paint or petrol stupid.

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[Jake]

Effects on the brain (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6378179.stm)

[Grumma]

Sucks to be a smoker

[Strider]

Which is why if you don't start in the first place, you don't have to worry bout quiting.

[Grumma]

Which is why if you don't start in the first place, you don't have to worry bout quiting.

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[The Dying Start]

I dare you all to try smoking. I guaruntee that you wont get addicted. Because it is foul. The only way you get addicted is if you're so weak that you allow yourself to get pressured into doing it frequently, and then you become addicted to it. I tried smoking. I even tried smoking a couple of times. Tere's no way in hll I was gonna get addicted to that crap, and there's no way known I'd have some faggot "friend" tell me that I'd be way cooler if I did it. Coz that shit is RAAAAANK. Even more rank han looking at Grumma's sunburn photos in the picture thread. There's no way I'm getting addicted to them either.

[Neo]

I dare you all to try smoking. I guaruntee that you wont get addicted. Because it is foul. The only way you get addicted is if you're so weak that you allow yourself to get pressured into doing it frequently, and then you become addicted to it. I tried smoking. I even tried smoking a couple of times. Tere's no way in hll I was gonna get addicted to that crap, and there's no way known I'd have some faggot "friend" tell me that I'd be way cooler if I did it. Coz that shit is RAAAAANK. Even more rank han looking at Grumma's sunburn photos in the picture thread. There's no way I'm getting addicted to them either.

Yeah, I've tried and now I am so put off smoking... its so freaking gross, I'd rather get shot in the leg than be a smoker. most people I know only started smoking because their friends said it was 'cool' and most of them were the little 14 year olds who choked out the bathroom at lunch in school and they only did it because their friends were doing it and the reason their friends started doing it was for the 'cool' factor. And my parents are smokers and they are loosing their freakin minds! they have the worst memory and its just getting worse and worse.

[Mirm]

I dare you all to try smoking. I guaruntee that you wont get addicted. Because it is foul. The only way you get addicted is if you're so weak that you allow yourself to get pressured into doing it frequently, and then you become addicted to it. I tried smoking. I even tried smoking a couple of times. Tere's no way in hll I was gonna get addicted to that crap, and there's no way known I'd have some faggot "friend" tell me that I'd be way cooler if I did it. Coz that shit is RAAAAANK. Even more rank han looking at Grumma's sunburn photos in the picture thread. There's no way I'm getting addicted to them either.

are you drunk?
I agree with what you said though; smoking is rank, so is grumma (and his sunburn)

[Strider]

Of course majority of people don't get addicted off ONE smoke. But it can turn into a habit if you keep doing it. And most definitely it's true that people whom are easily swayed by peer group pressure will most likely get into smoking, drugs, alcohol. Alcohol is probably the most common socially accepted drug (especially as one gets older). And like smoking, I believe everyone who tries alcohol at first thinks it's disgusting. It's just everyone else starts doing it so we keep drinking it and then eventually it turns into an acquired taste. Smoking is just pure rank. I could never date a smoker.

[Jake]

I agree that the taste of smoke is rank, and I definitely hate kissing a smoker (I used to make my ex brush/have a mint before coming near me after a cigarette). But when I'm stressed out, the bit of nicotine feels ok and I can get past the horrible taste.

I reckon alcohol is much more socially acceptable than smoking, particularly with all the no smoking laws for bars coming into practice.

[The Dying Start]

are you drunk?
I agree with what you said though; smoking is rank, so is grumma (and his sunburn)

No, just struggling with a particularly fuked keyboard.

[Grumma]

I was gonna say it was the same letters that you kept missing but then I read it again and they're completely random :p

[The Dying Start]

Yeah, like the whole left side is screwed...which is whee all the common letters are like e t a s and stuff. I have to thump it.

[Grumma]

Haha you might have to go the old fashion type with 2 fingers style :p